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  • SoMiss2000
    Hall Of Fame
    • Oct 2002
    • 20499

    #31
    Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

    Originally posted by ZB9
    I agree. They wouldnt be able to get equal value for him at this point and Dallas would probably be a lottery team instantly if they traded Dirk. Dallas has a first round pick this season, but they dont have a 1st round pick next season...and like you said, the team they trade Dirk to probably wouldnt have a low pick anyway after Dirk upgraded their team.



    Dallas needs to do the best they can with this group imo. They need to make some moves and tweak the team, but not "blow it up" at this point imo. They are probably still a playoff team with this group, despite their poor start. The Mavs arent contenders, but they arent going to be a lottery team either.

    In two seasons, they will be in good shape to rebuild the team with their salary cap and draft picks. Until then, they need to do the best they can with the core they have imo.
    so you'd like to see Dirk's career end without another legitimate shot to get a ring with another team because you can't get equal value? Of course you are not going to get equal value but it is in both parties best interest to separate. NO ONE, especially, in Dallas will care about the Mavs in 2 years and that's the truth. They'll be in the same boat as the Texas Rangers. Why delay rebuilding? You'd rather win 50 games without a legitimate shot at even getting out the first round? That's stupid. Cuban and Co. have gone with the current nucleus a year too long. All there is, is Dirk surrounded by a bunch of jump shooters. Key on Dirk, stop him, and the Mavs are toast. C'mon, take of the MFFL t-shirt. This group is done. I don't care about being an instant lottery team because in 2 years, you're more than likely there anyways. I like Dirk and he deserves to get out of this mess while he's only 30 years old. You say they aren't contenders so why delay the inevitable.
    Last edited by SoMiss2000; 11-13-2008, 12:34 AM.
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    • SoMiss2000
      Hall Of Fame
      • Oct 2002
      • 20499

      #32
      Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

      Originally posted by thelwig14
      I would still take Dirk over K.G.

      I try not to forget that K.G. won a ring because Paul Pierce is playing at an absolute elite level and carried that team.
      KG over Dirk all day.
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      • vaballer34
        Rookie
        • Sep 2007
        • 180

        #33
        Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

        Originally posted by ZB9
        I dont think they could get equal value for him. They shouldnt trade him just for the sake of "change"

        He is still a top 10 player in the NBA imo and possesses a rare skillset.
        You right Dallas won't get equal value if they trade Dirk but Dallas gotta make a move soon. Its only a matter of time before Tony Parker and Manu get healthy for the Spurs or Houston's Big 3 really find their chemistry or Greg Oden staying healthy and helping the Blazers or even Billups and Melo getting on the same page.

        If Dallas doesn't bring in a player that compliments Dirk's skills to keep up with the other teams in the West then I don't see why they shouldn't trade Dirk and whoever else and start the rebuilding process now.

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        • 23bluesman
          Pro
          • Jun 2008
          • 828

          #34
          Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

          Yup, with the current lineup, I don't see this team being a top contender for the title. I'm not really sure who has to go, and for whom...I just feel really sad for Jason Kidd. I really wanted him to get a ring, he's just one of those guys that you feel needs to get one before he's done.

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          • ZB9
            Hall Of Fame
            • Nov 2004
            • 18387

            #35
            Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

            Originally posted by SoMiss2000
            so you'd like to see Dirk's career end without another legitimate shot to get a ring with another team because you can't get equal value? Of course you are not going to get equal value but it is in both parties best interest to separate. NO ONE, especially, in Dallas will care about the Mavs in 2 years and that's the truth. They'll be in the same boat as the Texas Rangers. Why delay rebuilding? You'd rather win 50 games without a legitimate shot at even getting out the first round? That's stupid. Cuban and Co. have gone with the current nucleus a year too long. All there is, is Dirk surrounded by a bunch of jump shooters. Key on Dirk, stop him, and the Mavs are toast. C'mon, take of the MFFL t-shirt. This group is done. I don't care about being an instant lottery team because in 2 years, you're more than likely there anyways. I like Dirk and he deserves to get out of this mess while he's only 30 years old. You say they aren't contenders so why delay the inevitable.
            Dirk isnt the problem. The Mavs' problem is that their 1-2-3 punch isnt as good as other teams 1-2-3 punch or even 1-2 punch. Also, the Mavs dont have enough bench depth. Dirk needs other players. He isnt the type that is going to carry a team. However, he will be deadly efficient if you surround him with some consistent weapons. Dirk doesnt have a Paul Pierce or a Ray Allen.

            Kidd is a good leader and floor general, but he isnt at his best unless you surround him with other weapons. Most floor generals are that way.

            As far as Josh Howard, he is probably the least consistent "all-star" in the entire league. Howard is way too hully gully to match up with Dirk's efficiency. Those two styles dont mix imo. Although, I dont know if Howard's hully gully style really mixes well with any style when it comes to winning.

            I dont feel that you just up and trade a top 10 player in the league just to shake things up. People take Dirk for granted, but when he is gone, folks will find out that it isnt easy to find a player like that.

            Dirk is still young for his position. It would be easier for the Mavs to deal with finding better weapons to surround him with. They could start by trading Josh Howard and Jason Terry.

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            • Dice
              Sitting by the door
              • Jul 2002
              • 6627

              #36
              Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

              Originally posted by thelwig14
              I would still take Dirk over K.G.

              I try not to forget that K.G. won a ring because Paul Pierce is playing at an absolute elite level and carried that team.
              WOW! You'd still take Dirk over K.G.?

              Even though Dirk only impacts one side of the game(offense) compared to K.G. impacting the game on both sides(offense and defense)?
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              • SoMiss2000
                Hall Of Fame
                • Oct 2002
                • 20499

                #37
                Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

                ZB, I'm talking about starting to rebuild, not shaking things up when talking about trading Dirk. Since you admit he can't carry the team, then why is he so untouchable in your eyes?
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                • ZB9
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 18387

                  #38
                  Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

                  Originally posted by SoMiss2000
                  ZB, I'm talking about starting to rebuild, not shaking things up when talking about trading Dirk. Since you admit he can't carry the team, then why is he so untouchable in your eyes?
                  yea you are probably right about blowing them the hell up. They arent going to contend anyway even if they do sneak into the playoffs, so why not get a head start? I can see that.

                  they should probably start unloading players. You would think they could get something good for Howard.

                  I dont know if it's time to trade Dirk yet though, unless they get an offer they cant refuse.
                  Last edited by ZB9; 11-13-2008, 10:35 PM.

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                  • ProjectRipCity
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 2395

                    #39
                    Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

                    Originally posted by J.R. Locke
                    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...~6~4&te=&cash=

                    Hinrich, Gooden and Tyrus Thomas + 2 1st round picks

                    for

                    Dirk

                    Dallas gets 8 mil in cap relief but has to eat Hinrich's contract.
                    You play too much 2k

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                    • SoMiss2000
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 20499

                      #40
                      Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

                      Originally posted by ZB9
                      yea you are probably right about blowing them the hell up. They arent going to contend anyway even if they do sneak into the playoffs, so why not get a head start? I can see that.

                      they should probably start unloading players. You would think they could get something good for Howard.

                      I dont know if it's time to trade Dirk yet though, unless they get an offer they cant refuse.
                      lol, tonite's embarrassing loss opened your eyes?
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                      • SoMiss2000
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 20499

                        #41
                        Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

                        Mavs lose again.
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                        • Fiasco West
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 2820

                          #42
                          Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

                          Yeah probably time to unload some players, keep the young guys.

                          I really don't see Dirk as the problem, but if they do rebuild he probably would like to go play elsewhere and you could get some good young players...yeah you will suck for a year or two but make the right moves and you can be contending for the playoffs in a year or two again.

                          Who knows what you can get for Dirk, he still has tons of value.

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                          • NBA2k8 CHAMP
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 1918

                            #43
                            Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

                            I think they should get rid of Josh Howard and bring in Kaman since he's on the market

                            Get rid Stackhouse in a package for a Battier type player.

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                            • The 24th Letter
                              ERA
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 39373

                              #44
                              Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

                              that game tonight was horrible....I forsee a mid season blow up

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                              • boomhauertjs
                                All Star
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 5373

                                #45
                                Re: Time for the Mavs to trade Dirk!

                                Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                                I believe he was offering Ben Wallace as an enforcer, not straight up for Dirk.
                                Yeah, the Cavs will throw in Sasha Pavlovic and Lorenzen Wright.

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