LAL need to trade for McGrady

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This thread is way off topic because some guys dont read

You looked at the title but not the initial post

That said, no LA doesn't need him but he could use LA as stated in the OP for reasons given.

The back jokes are obscure because that's not an issue for him anymore and hasn't been for at least a couple of years now since he found a real doctor.

The point was to ask for thoughts on the guy being on LA's roster instead of Odom and how you think that might work for LA in the playoff run.

Thanks to the couple of you guys who did answer and gave your thoughts about the team.

[JBH3]

Re: LAL need to trade for McGrady

This thread is way off topic because some guys dont read

You looked at the title but not the initial post

That said, no LA doesn't need him but he could use LA as stated in the OP for reasons given.

The back jokes are obscure because that's not an issue for him anymore and hasn't been for at least a couple of years now since he found a real doctor.

The point was to ask for thoughts on the guy being on LA's roster instead of Odom and how you think that might work for LA in the playoff run.

Thanks to the couple of you guys who did answer and gave your thoughts about the team.

I think to even contemplate this is pointless and here's why...

What does McGrady give LA that they don't already have?

They've got the best combo guard currently in the NBA in Kobe who is the most prolific scorer in the league...He can run the point, Iso, do everything McGrady does and better and plays injured.

They'd essentially have to move a number of players who would be far more productive than McGrady - seeing as how T-Mac can't seem to stay on the court - If you can't play you can't produce.

If its not his back then its his knee, if its not his knee then its his wrist....the guy just can't be counted on.

Since they would have to move some of their coveted depth to acquire a brittle 'superstar' how does this make them better?

Maybe in the world of video game basketball this would be awesome, but this one just doesn't work IRL, IMO.

This LA team can beat Boston w/ a healthy Bynum. Losing him last year hurt them more than anything else, and he is a BIG part of their current success.

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Re: LAL need to trade for McGrady

Easy, McGrady has one of the best player track records of stepping up in the playoffs ever.

Lamar has a track record of disappearing

Lamar has a history of injuries

Tracy doens't have to be Mr Everything to this team

Sorry, Kobe is not a better passer than McGrady

Nothing wrong with having the other team not knowing how they will die on a nightly basis

Its not that far fetched being that his contract is up soon

Regardless of your personal points against McGrady, I dont care about that, I just asked a question and if you dont want to answer, its pointless to come in the thread to say you dont want to.

[Fiasco West]

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They've got the best combo guard currently in the NBA in Kobe who is the most prolific scorer in the league...He can run the point, Iso, do everything McGrady does and better and plays injured.

Man it's nice Kobe has been playing with a broken pinky and all. But Tmac has been playing on injuries all his career dude.

[Brankles]

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Man it's nice Kobe has been playing with a broken pinky and all. But Tmac has been playing on injuries all his career dude.

An injury is an injury, right? They all go under one category.

[JBH3]

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Easy, McGrady has one of the best player track records of stepping up in the playoffs ever.

Lamar has a track record of disappearing

Lamar has a history of injuries

Tracy doens't have to be Mr Everything to this team

Sorry, Kobe is not a better passer than McGrady

Nothing wrong with having the other team not knowing how they will die on a nightly basis

Its not that far fetched being that his contract is up soon

Regardless of your personal points against McGrady, I dont care about that, I just asked a question and if you dont want to answer, its pointless to come in the thread to say you dont want to.

Man it's nice Kobe has been playing with a broken pinky and all. But Tmac has been playing on injuries all his career dude.

I got nothing 'personal' against McGrady at all...He's a great player...He's just ALWAYS injured, and Odom had some injuries to deal w/ too, but has played in 80 games twice in his career - and c'mon... he is far more durable. I don't think we need to discuss that.

I mean we all know McGrady has talent, but lets not be ignorant to the fact that him missing a significant amount of time is an annual thing now.

So if you move a healthier Odom, and others for a brittle McGrady... sure...there might be some flashes of brillance, but eventually McGrady is going to breakdown...again... and then LA is left w/ what???

Because to get McGrady they have to give up someone else making at least $3mil since Odom's contract is $14m and McGrady's is $20+mil.

Plus McGrady's FG% is horrible...he is not needed at all in LA.

Bynum is the answer.

Kobe isn't just playing w/ a broken pinky either...He's played injured throughout much of last year, played in the Olympics, and has put off surgery and is playing now.

To say that McGrady has been 'playing' injured most of his career is funny...Its more like he has been injured most of his career.

[Fiasco West]

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Kobe isn't just playing w/ a broken pinky either...He's played injured throughout much of last year, played in the Olympics, and has put off surgery and is playing now.

To say that McGrady has been 'playing' injured most of his career is funny...Its more like he has been injured most of his career.

He's put off surgery to a broken pinky. Tmac since a few years ago has been playing injured every game...even earlier this season he's been playing injured, yeah he's been hurt most of the time...but really I'd like to see a lot of players get the injuries he has had throughout his career and play 82 games.

I wouldn't want Tmac on the Lakers for chemistry reasons, but i'd still take him over Odom any day of the week with his injury history. TMAC has never played 82 games a season...but seriously look at the amount of games he's played every season starting with his career in Orlando...

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He's missing a average of 11 games per season since his starting job in Orlando...and I don't remember him missing any playoff games he's always healthy there.

Yeah the dude misses a week here a game or two there, but people act as if he's just missing 30-40 games a season. So yeah besides the chemistry concerns, I'd take Tmac over Odom every time. Odom at times is just yuck...he has the skills but Odom has yet to put them together and I still don't think he's aggressive enough with his skillset.

[Brankles]

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The two problems you listed with McGrady (his field goal % and his durability) have more to do with him trying to carry his team more than anything else.

Put him on a team where he can divert to other players, play less minutes and step up when needed and he would win the Lakers a title. The trade for McGrady would make sense as part of a run to win the championship, not to run 110% hustle every night and win every regular season game at the expense of back and knees.

Plus he would fit in perfectly in the triangle as one of the best passing swingmen in the league. And who's gonna guard TMac in the playoffs in the West? Instead of having to be covered by the Kirilenkos, Artests, Poseys, Bells and Bowens of the league, he would dominate other team's second defensive perimeter players, Brewer, MoPete, Matt Barnes, Ginobili, etc. The Lakers would be unguardable with his ability to score and pass. It's not like he's just another scorer, another Iverson or Carmelo. TMac may be the most complete all-around ballplayer in the league, as far as basketball size and IQ go.

[Bornindamecca]

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Plus he would fit in perfectly in the triangle as one of the best passing swingmen in the league. And who's gonna guard TMac in the playoffs in the West?

The Lakers already came out of the West easily without Ariza, Bynum or a whole year of playing with Pau.

How is Tracy more complete than Dwayne Wade?

I can't see how his size is a factor in that comparison, because Dwayne has a much more physical game, and is more effective near the basket on both sides of the floor, and has no problem getting his shot off, which are all the advantages of size.

This thread is way off topic because some guys dont read

You looked at the title but not the initial post

I responded to both the title, and to the initial post. If you didn't want people to respond to the title, why'd you choose it?

[JBH3]

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The two problems you listed with McGrady (his field goal % and his durability) have more to do with him trying to carry his team more than anything else.

Put him on a team where he can divert to other players, play less minutes and step up when needed and he would win the Lakers a title. The trade for McGrady would make sense as part of a run to win the championship, not to run 110% hustle every night and win every regular season game at the expense of back and knees.

Plus he would fit in perfectly in the triangle as one of the best passing swingmen in the league. And who's gonna guard TMac in the playoffs in the West? Instead of having to be covered by the Kirilenkos, Artests, Poseys, Bells and Bowens of the league, he would dominate other team's second defensive perimeter players, Brewer, MoPete, Matt Barnes, Ginobili, etc. The Lakers would be unguardable with his ability to score and pass. It's not like he's just another scorer, another Iverson or Carmelo. TMac may be the most complete all-around ballplayer in the league, as far as basketball size and IQ go.

I wouldn't want Tmac on the Lakers for chemistry reasons, but i'd still take him over Odom any day of the week with his injury history. TMAC has never played 82 games a season...but seriously look at the amount of games he's played every season starting with his career in Orlando...

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He's missing a average of 11 games per season since his starting job in Orlando...and I don't remember him missing any playoff games he's always healthy there.

Any attempt to prove otherwise is futile since you both seem to be homerized and slanted on McGrady being the perfect 'fit' in LA.

[Brankles]

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The Lakers already came out of the West easily without Ariza, Bynum or a whole year of playing with Pau.

How is Tracy more complete than Dwayne Wade?

I can't see how his size is a factor in that comparison, because Dwayne has a much more physical game, and is more effective near the basket on both sides of the floor, and has no problem getting his shot off, which are all the advantages of size.

I don't want to turn this into a DWade vs TMac debate, but I'll nibble on the bait.

McGrady is a better shooter (41.7% 3pt this season), is taller (6'8" to 6'4"), and has better court vision (although Wade gets more assists due to his combo guard position TMac has a better A:TO ratio). Few players in the league are playing better than Wade right now, including Kobe Bryant, so I can't argue against Wade's scoring ability and his toughness, which is unmatched.

TMac's up there with LeBron, DWade and Paul Pierce as the most complete swingmen in the league, or will be when he gets back from his three week injury rest.


I just think if the Lakers had traded Ariza and Odom for TMac last season, they'd all be wearing rings right now. A healthy Ariza wouldn't have made a difference. TMac, Kobe and Pau is a much more dangerous trio than Ray, Pierce and KG, imo.

LA is a better team than they were last year, but that doesn't mean they'd be less good if they added another superstar, especially one that doesn't create locker-room problems and plays team basketball.

It's one thing to not want TMac because you think he'll be injured during the most important part of the season (the playoffs, even though he hasn't missed a post-season game in his career, of which his teams made it 6 out of the last 7 years).
It's another thing entirely if you think the Lakers would be a worse team with TMac, who averaged 27, 8 and 7 in the playoffs last year against the WCF runner-up Jazz and 28, 7 and 6 in the playoffs for his career.


If I'm a Lakers fan, I want to build my team to succeed in the playoffs and would be willing to part with two solid players for a team-oriented superstar and an almost automatic championship, even if the guy does miss on average 10 or 15 games a season. This wouldn't be some Shaq for Marion type of deal, where it completely changes your team, locks you down with a ridiculous salary, and gives you some old bum who can barely play anymore.

This is a 2004 Shaq-for-Odom/Caron Butler or KG-for-Jefferson/Telfair type of deal, a formula that resulted in championships for both the Heat and the Celtics immediately following the trades.


This trade is a hypothetical, something that the Rockets would never do, because it would make their team much worse and the Lakers much better.

To say "I don't want to do this trade if I'm LA" does not make much logical basketball sense, unless you really truly believe that this three week knee injury he has is a sign that his career is over and he will be useless in the playoffs (even though history has proven otherwise when he's had worse injuries).

[Bornindamecca]

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I'll try to keep this short.

Re: Mac v. Wade (social studies kids see the joke in that, )
Mac is not a better shooter, he is a better 3pt shooter. Wade is far superior in midrange and from the stripe. Far superior. I'm not going to argue the court vision, but I disagree and we can leave it at that to keep this from going off of the rails.

My argument does partially revolve around the idea that the straight up Mac for Odom trade wouldn't happen. So other pieces would be involved somehow. But besides that, there is also:
-I don't see Mac coming off of the bench, which would change the Lakers drastically
-If a 12-2 team is going to make a change, it should be to supplement their weaknesses. Scoring and passing are not the Lakers' weaknesses
-For McGrady, I think he'd rather win as a leader before becoming Kobe's sidekick and perhaps a third option behind Pau.

[Brankles]

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Any attempt to prove otherwise is futile since you both seem to be homerized and slanted on McGrady being the perfect 'fit' in LA.

Typical response. Fight numbers, stats, records, reasoning and history with one of the two "H" words.

What's really surprising is that you held back on one of those first round/lazy eye zingers. Man, I love those.

[JBH3]

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Typical response. Fight numbers, stats, records, reasoning and history with one of the two "H" words.

What's really surprising is that you held back on one of those first round/lazy eye zingers. Man, I love those.

No not really...At every corner its McGrady is what LA needs, Odom sucks, here's some arbitrary stats and see McGrady should be on LA because its an instant ring.

Its pointless...

[Brankles]

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I'll try to keep this short.

Re: Mac v. Wade (social studies kids see the joke in that, )
Mac is not a better shooter, he is a better 3pt shooter. Wade is far superior in midrange and from the stripe. Far superior. I'm not going to argue the court vision, but I disagree and we can leave it at that to keep this from going off of the rails.

My argument does partially revolve around the idea that the straight up Mac for Odom trade wouldn't happen. So other pieces would be involved somehow. But besides that, there is also:
1 I don't see Mac coming off of the bench, which would change the Lakers drastically

2 If a 12-2 team is going to make a change, it should be to supplement their weaknesses. Scoring and passing are not the Lakers' weaknesses

3 For McGrady, I think he'd rather win as a leader before becoming Kobe's sidekick and perhaps a third option behind Pau.

I disagree that Wade is far superior than TMac in the mid-range game. He may be better, but not by a whole lot. Making free throws doesn't make you a good shooter, either, but Wade is a better FT shooter. My response had to do more with the ball in play and thinking about pieces to the basketball puzzle. TMac can run 4 positions, Wade can run 2. TMac can fit into more roles than Wade. Wade may be better in certain areas, like driving, strength and perimeter defense, but I think TMac has more tools than Dwyane. Anyways, that's a whole other topic, and I'm just going to leave it there.

As far as the trade, I agree with your points.
1. TMac is about 4 years away from coming off the bench for teams. No way he doesn't start, unless it's the Dream Team.

2. The Lakers don't NEED TMac. They can still win 60+ games without him. Adding him would just strengthen their strengths further and would separate them even further from their competition, especially in the playoffs.

3. TMac made it clear in his interview that he didn't want to be traded now, he just said it might be cool to play with Kobe down the road. Also, if the trade happened, I don't know if TMac would necessarily become a sidekick to Kobe and Pau. It would be one of the most intriguing lineups in NBA history if that trio gets together. I see Tracy's scoring dipping along with Kobe's, but I think Tracy's rebounding and assist numbers would go up. It would be more of a three headed monster than a clearly defined Option 1, Option 2, Option 3 lineup.