Iverson the Scapegoat

[Muzyk23]

Re: Iverson the Scapegoat

yeah, I am his fan.. so what

I never said AI could fit into the system one way or another

my previous posts are not solely on AI, it's a bigger picture

[Jukeman]

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Lol he was pefectly fine with Denver.....That whole AI cant play within the team is a myth IMHO..Iverson is a SHOOTING GUARD so of course if he is going to dominate the ball when playin the point....Detroit was on a 8 game win streak earlier this year with him playing(ironically rip was hurt) now AI is hurt and they win what 3 str8? Now AI is the reason? How bout poor coaching, lack of chemistry and I still dont see the rush in plugging Stucking in as a starter(overated?)...The whole 2010 arguement is funny, Dumars prolly screw that up like he did with drafting darko and BTW I have no respect for anyone who doesnt live in the present, tommorrow isnt promise, holding something off for another day is just an excuse....Long story short, I woulda kept Billups, good PG's are hard to come by, but im grateful he's with Denver now!

[ex carrabba fan]

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Lol he was pefectly fine with Denver.....That whole AI cant play within the team is a myth IMHO..Iverson is a SHOOTING GUARD so of course if he is going to dominate the ball when playin the point....Detroit was on a 8 game win streak earlier this year with him playing(ironically rip was hurt) now AI is hurt and they win what 3 str8? Now AI is the reason? How bout poor coaching, lack of chemistry and I still dont see the rush in plugging Stucking in as a starter(overated?)...The whole 2010 arguement is funny, Dumars prolly screw that up like he did with drafting darko and BTW I have no respect for anyone who doesnt live in the present, tommorrow isnt promise, holding something off for another day is just an excuse....

Nobody feared DEN. Nobody fears DET. It is what it is.

[Jukeman]

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Nobody feared DEN. Nobody fears DET. It is what it is.

Well you can say that bout every team in the NBA except the Celtics who are the champs cuz obvisously 50 wins mean nothing...82-0 means nothing if you dont get a ring, BTW when did Denver ever win 50 games?

[ex carrabba fan]

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Well you can say that bout every team in the NBA exceot the Celtics who are the champs....when did Denver ever win 50 games?

DEN was huge underdogs to the Lakers, nobody thought twice about who would take that series.

This year I guess you forgot about S.A., L.A., CLE.. I'd say they are feared.

On a lower level: Utah, N.O.'s, ORL.

What I meant was nobody is scared of Iverson anymore. It is what it is, I'm not hating that's just how I feel about his game at this point.

[Jukeman]

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DEN was huge underdogs to the Lakers, nobody thought twice about who would take that series.

This year I guess you forgot about S.A., L.A., CLE.. I'd say they are feared.

On a lower level: Utah, N.O.'s, ORL.

What I meant was nobody is scared of Iverson anymore. It is what it is, I'm not hating that's just how I feel about his game at this point.

Ok, I respect your opinion on AI but lets look at that Den/LAL matchup: (forgot the real linups for that series)

Carter/Atkins
Iverson
Melo
Martin(not 100%)
Camby
(Nene not 100%)

Vs

Fisher
Kobe
Walton/Rad?
Odom
Gasol

Denver were underdogs becuz LA was way better(yea im a nuggets fan)not cuz no one feared AI aint like he's jordan...

[ex carrabba fan]

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Ok, I respect your opinion on AI but lets look at that Den/LAL matchup: (forgot the real linups for that series)

Carter/Atkins
Iverson
Melo
Martin(not 100%)
Camby
(Nene not 100%)

Vs

Fisher
Kobe
Walton/Rad?
Odom
Gasol

Denver were underdogs becuz LA was way better(yea im a nuggets fan)not cuz no one feared AI aint like he's jordan...

I feel you, that's why I clarified when I said "nobody fears A.I." anymore.

My main point in saying all of that is that it doesn't matter if he starts, comes off the bench either way it won't matter in the end because he doesn't fit in with DET and that team isn't going anywhere.

I'm not sure where he ends up next year. There was a thread on that, and I think it's a great topic.

[Po Pimp]

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Lol he was pefectly fine with Denver.....That whole AI cant play within the team is a myth IMHO..Iverson is a SHOOTING GUARD so of course if he is going to dominate the ball when playin the point....Detroit was on a 8 game win streak earlier this year with him playing(ironically rip was hurt) now AI is hurt and they win what 3 str8? Now AI is the reason? How bout poor coaching, lack of chemistry and I still dont see the rush in plugging Stucking in as a starter(overated?)...The whole 2010 arguement is funny, Dumars prolly screw that up like he did with drafting darko and BTW I have no respect for anyone who doesnt live in the present, tommorrow isnt promise, holding something off for another day is just an excuse....Long story short, I woulda kept Billups, good PG's are hard to come by, but im grateful he's with Denver now!

And its not like Iverson didn't make sacrifices. He doesn't take nearly the ammount of shots now that he took in the past. He takes like 14 shots a game. Its like the Pistons players were revolting against Iverson by missing shots. When Iverson gets injured, they all of a sudden start playing team ball. Also, like u said, no one ever mentions the 8 game win streak earlier this season when Rip was out.

[Psyblast]

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Its like the Pistons players were revolting against Iverson by missing shots.

[Bornindamecca]

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[P2K]

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Its like the Pistons players were revolting against Iverson by missing shots.

Both teams played hard.

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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The Pistons beat a Orlando team with No Jameer,Boston with no KG,Denver with No Melo,and Golden St.

When they played a healthy and legit team in the Hawks they couldn't pull through so it goes to show you it's more than Iverson.Get that team a real coach and you could have a totally different outcome.

They went on a 8 game win streak w/o Rip....I actually think it's Stuckey having to adjust with playing with Iverson and then Rip which hinders his play....As you can see when Stuckey rolls the Pistons roll.

[Muzyk23]

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The Pistons beat a Orlando team with No Jameer,Boston with no KG,Denver with No Melo,and Golden St.

When they played a healthy and legit team in the Hawks they couldn't pull through so it goes to show you it's more than Iverson.Get that team a real coach and you could have a totally different outcome.

They went on a 8 game win streak w/o Rip....I actually think it's Stuckey having to adjust with playing with Iverson and then Rip which hinders his play....As you can see when Stuckey rolls the Pistons roll.

man, just leave it alone

he's done

he's the Canswer

[BTB]

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Whatever, I've been saying for years Iverson would be the best 6th man of all time and that's the only way he could be on a championship caliber squad... and that's what's about to be shown. Yes he went to the finals in 2000 or 2001 whenever it was, but that was literally the ideal team to put around him in his prime and they barely came out of a eastern conference that was as terrible as its ever been. This was meant to be for a long time.

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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I just want to know what's the difference in starting and playing 40 minutes for your career and not starting and averaging 40 minutes for your career?

That amount of minutes means you're a starter.

The 6th man should consist of not able to play above 25 minutes and coming of the bench... not someone who plays 35-40 minutes per game

So What's the point of being a 6th man when you're a NBA Legend and one of the greatest of all time?

Rings are starting to become overrated aswell...judging a player off of wins and rings is stupid.Look at KG,Pierce,and Allen they were in the same boat until they joined together so what makes them so much of a winner? The fact that they have 3 hof players,all star caliber pg,and great supporting cast...Like I said before Kobe with no team resulted in the same results as all other superstars...It's organizations faults not players wether you win rings.

2001 you do realize they were the only team to beat the Lakers so the West was just as sorry as the East.

The reason Iverson was successful through them years was because of L.Brown in which he had winning season 5 out of the 6 times(only time not was his 1st season). Then came the other coaches who's yet to have a winning season even w/o Iverson.(Mo Cheeks)