Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #31
    Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

    Trying to define the word "Soft" on here is like trying to find the perfect woman. You'll NEVER find it.
    #RespectTheCulture

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    • SpacemanSpiff
      MVP
      • Mar 2005
      • 1279

      #32
      Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so well-rounded(shooting, handling, passing)?

      Originally posted by dragon4ever
      I don't think you guys know what I mean when I say soft. I'm referring to soft as someone who isn't physical, doesn't play intimidating defense, likes to fight for rebounds and loose balls, someone who isn't afraid to bump elbows in the paint and have a strong low-post game both offensively and defensively.

      The players I mentioned earlier should by default at least try and fit this bill because of the nature of the positions that they play. When was the last time a European BIG won the rebounding title or the best defensive player award? Charles Barkley, Shaq, Rodman, Bill Laimbeer, Rasheed Wallace are a prime example of what I'm talking about. C's and PF's are positions where you need to be physical.
      Rasheed Wallace is softer than Marc Gasol, Zaza Pachulia, and a bunch of other euros. This isn't a euro vs. American thing as David West, LaMarcus Aldridge, Channing Frye are all Americans who could be called soft under your definition.
      Last edited by SpacemanSpiff; 05-02-2009, 02:04 PM. Reason: Thread title fixed?
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      • ColumbusKilled
        Banned
        • Jul 2004
        • 431

        #33
        Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so well-rounded(shooting, handling, passing)?

        David West is HELLA soft.

        The reason that most Euros are soft is because the game in Europe isn't physical.

        What is soft? I'll tell you.

        It's not having the heart of a lion. It's valueing your physical comfort over the good of the team.

        It's altering your game when things get physical.

        This is why Danielle Nowitzski is the definition of soft. If you physical Danielle, she will alter her game because she came out of the WNBA where you don't have to literally fight for a rebound.

        If you get physical with a soft player, they will give you space under the boards. It's why having K-Mart on my team makes me GIDDY because there are a lot of shemales in this league who are afraid to get tough, and playoff basketball is inherantly more physical than regular season basketball where shemales like Danielle prosper. It's why you see them consistently fail to make it past the first two rounds of the playoffs.

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        • Jasong7777
          All Star
          • May 2005
          • 6415

          #34
          Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

          A soft BIG with excellent basketball skills and high basketball IQ > a physical BIG with limited basketball skills
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          • ~LiverpoolRed~
            YNWA
            • Dec 2008
            • 10755

            #35
            Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            LOL at OP never hearing about Zaza
            +1

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            • JBH3
              Marvel's Finest
              • Jan 2007
              • 13506

              #36
              Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

              They're not soft, they just play w/ more finesse.
              Originally posted by Edmund Burke
              All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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              • Jukeman
                Showtime
                • Aug 2005
                • 10955

                #37
                Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

                this just another "why that QB always scrambling instead of staying in the pocket" subject......

                People play the position differently....

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                • Jukeman
                  Showtime
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 10955

                  #38
                  Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

                  Originally posted by Jasong7777
                  A soft BIG with excellent basketball skills and high basketball IQ > a physical BIG with limited basketball skills
                  Gasol>Howard??????

                  Okaaaay.....

                  Im a big KG fan but he is "soft" (finesse) despite of the agressiveness he shows and he coundnt lead Minn anywhere.....Orlando wouldnt be a top 4 team in the east without Howard.....KG's game is better of course but I would choose Howard over him if I was building a team.....
                  Last edited by Jukeman; 05-04-2009, 10:08 AM.

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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #39
                    Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

                    I don't think he ever said that though.
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                    • Jukeman
                      Showtime
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 10955

                      #40
                      Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

                      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                      I don't think he ever said that though.
                      I did put a question mark if that counts lol

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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #41
                        Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

                        My fault. I ain't notice it til after. Unfortunately that's the consequence of using OS Mobile: you're always a 2 steps behind lol.
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                        • Jukeman
                          Showtime
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 10955

                          #42
                          Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

                          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                          My fault. I ain't notice it til after. Unfortunately that's the consequence of using OS Mobile: you're always a 2 steps behind lol.
                          gotta get that iPhone

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                          • Jasong7777
                            All Star
                            • May 2005
                            • 6415

                            #43
                            Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

                            Originally posted by juk34man
                            Gasol>Howard??????

                            Okaaaay.....

                            Im a big KG fan but he is "soft" (finesse) despite of the agressiveness he shows and he coundnt lead Minn anywhere.....Orlando wouldnt be a top 4 team in the east without Howard.....KG's game is better of course but I would choose Howard over him if I was building a team.....
                            I would put D Howard in a category all to himself, along with Shaq. Plus, D Howard does have a good amount a basketball skills. I was thinking more along the lines of a Kendrick Perkins, which someone brought up.
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                            • Salhus
                              He can talk the talk
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 1799

                              #44
                              Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

                              Originally posted by Jasong7777
                              A soft BIG with excellent basketball skills and high basketball IQ > a physical BIG with limited basketball skills
                              You must be excluding last years finals then. Pau was "soft" as tissue. Played like his nuts were on his chest.

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                              • Jasong7777
                                All Star
                                • May 2005
                                • 6415

                                #45
                                Re: Why are European BIG men in the NBA so soft?

                                Originally posted by Salhus
                                You must be excluding last years finals then. Pau was "soft" as tissue. Played like his nuts were on his chest.
                                Pau is still soft. But I would take over Kendrick Perkins.
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