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  • Kashanova
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2003
    • 12695

    #46
    Re: In response to Bill Simmons' recent article

    Originally posted by Bornindamecca
    Same thing I was thinking, but I gave up on Kash making sense a long time ago.
    sense to you of course. all i know is that kobe has been to the finals 6 times this decade 4 of those times it was cause of shaq thats why he gets the props

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    • Landlordos7
      Rookie
      • Apr 2007
      • 157

      #47
      Re: In response to Bill Simmons' recent article

      Originally posted by Kashanova
      sense to you of course. all i know is that kobe has been to the finals 6 times this decade 4 of those times it was cause of shaq thats why he gets the props


      This is an opinion and can't be proven either way.


      I personally feel that Kobe has made it to the finals 6 times because of great teams, and of being a great player, and that Shaq wouldn't have made it to the Finals any of those times without Kobe.

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      • sqeg
        Banned
        • Jan 2008
        • 116

        #48
        Re: In response to Bill Simmons' recent article

        Originally posted by Kashanova
        also on kobe making his teammates better, yeah he helped out ariza become a better three point shooter but the article states that no one gets more out of their teammates then kobe does. that right there is so riduclous what does he have what evidence does he have to support that? none.
        And might I ask, what evidence do you have that he didn't get more out of his teammates to support your statement? None. Just give it a rest already, your statement easily the more r i d i c u l o u s one. Spell check is your friend.

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        • Kashanova
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2003
          • 12695

          #49
          Re: In response to Bill Simmons' recent article

          Originally posted by Landlordos7
          This is an opinion and can't be proven either way.


          I personally feel that Kobe has made it to the finals 6 times because of great teams, and of being a great player, and that Shaq wouldn't have made it to the Finals any of those times without Kobe.
          except he made it the finals twice with out kobe.

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          • Kashanova
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2003
            • 12695

            #50
            Re: In response to Bill Simmons' recent article

            Originally posted by sqeg
            And might I ask, what evidence do you have that he didn't get more out of his teammates to support your statement? None. Just give it a rest already, your statement easily the more r i d i c u l o u s one. Spell check is your friend.
            none? j kidd makes players like mikki moore get contracts that otherwise they would of not gotten.

            Nash does the same as well

            Lebron took a team to the finals that had no right being there and it showed.

            Shaq can turn a player from a good player to a really good player.

            that's just off the top of my head.

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            • Bornindamecca
              Books Nelson Simnation
              • Jul 2007
              • 10919

              #51
              Re: In response to Bill Simmons' recent article

              Originally posted by Kashanova
              lol I dont think the team could of won a chip but to say the team had no talent is laughable.
              Outside of Kobe and Lamar? Well let's take a look at their "talent"

              Brown, Kwame
              Bynum, Andrew
              Cook, Brian
              Evans, Maurice
              Farmar, Jordan(rookie)
              McKie, Aaron(old)
              Mihm, Chris(DNP)
              Parker, Smush
              Radmanovic, Vladimir
              Turiaf, Ronny(first full nba season after heart surgery)
              Vujacic, Sasha
              Walton, Luke
              Williams, Shammond

              Not only is this a collection of scrubs, but the ones that weren't rookies and contract fodder were injured, as were Kobe and Lamar that year. So it's a sad, sad reach to use the 42-40 overachieving, injury riddled ragtag 06/07 Lakers as some kind of proof for whatever ***** point you're trying to make about Kobe Bryant.

              So far, the rest of the NBA hasn't had any success in making the scrubs in bold any better.
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              • sqeg
                Banned
                • Jan 2008
                • 116

                #52
                Re: In response to Bill Simmons' recent article

                Originally posted by Kashanova
                none? j kidd makes players like mikki moore get contracts that otherwise they would of not gotten.

                Nash does the same as well

                Lebron took a team to the finals that had no right being there and it showed.

                Shaq can turn a player from a good player to a really good player.

                that's just off the top of my head.
                No one nor did the article, dispute any of those players you mentioned, ability to make others around them better, but you keep being ignorant to the fact that Kobe did indeed make his teammates around him better as well. Maybe I wouldn't go to the extreme to say that no one does it(make his teammates better) better than Kobe but, you can't discredit the fact that he did make others around him better. Saying that Kidd, Nash, Lebron, or Shaq made their teammates better, does not prove that Kobe didn't.

                Why don't you read what's said here thoroughly first, before spouting out nonsense. The question was about Kobe, not about Kidd, Nash, Lebron, or Shaq.

                Not sure what nonsense you're trying to make w/that '06 Lakers roster but, that roster was full of inexperience & trash, but yet he led them to the playoffs. Take Kobe off that team, & they're quite possibly the worst in the league. He got the most out of trash like Kwame, BCook, & Smush.

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                • Kashanova
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 12695

                  #53
                  Re: In response to Bill Simmons' recent article

                  Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                  Outside of Kobe and Lamar? Well let's take a look at their "talent"

                  Brown, Kwame
                  Bynum, Andrew
                  Cook, Brian
                  Evans, Maurice
                  Farmar, Jordan(rookie)
                  McKie, Aaron(old)
                  Mihm, Chris(DNP)
                  Parker, Smush
                  Radmanovic, Vladimir
                  Turiaf, Ronny(first full nba season after heart surgery)
                  Vujacic, Sasha
                  Walton, Luke
                  Williams, Shammond

                  Not only is this a collection of scrubs, but the ones that weren't rookies and contract fodder were injured, as were Kobe and Lamar that year. So it's a sad, sad reach to use the 42-40 overachieving, injury riddled ragtag 06/07 Lakers as some kind of proof for whatever ***** point you're trying to make about Kobe Bryant.

                  So far, the rest of the NBA hasn't had any success in making the scrubs in bold any better.
                  well the magic got almost ten points a game out of evans. right after he was traded. and he has shown he's a good role player. Vlad Rad avg a career low when he played with the lakers in that 06/07 year but he has shown he can avg double digits.

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                  • Kashanova
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 12695

                    #54
                    Re: In response to Bill Simmons' recent article

                    Originally posted by sqeg
                    No one nor did the article, dispute any of those players you mentioned, ability to make others around them better, but you keep being ignorant to the fact that Kobe did indeed make his teammates around him better as well. Maybe I wouldn't go to the extreme to say that no one does it(make his teammates better) better than Kobe but, you can't discredit the fact that he did make others around him better. Saying that Kidd, Nash, Lebron, or Shaq made their teammates better, does not prove that Kobe didn't.

                    Why don't you read what's said here thoroughly first, before spouting out nonsense. The question was about Kobe, not about Kidd, Nash, Lebron, or Shaq.

                    Not sure what nonsense you're trying to make w/that '06 Lakers roster but, that roster was full of inexperience & trash, but yet he led them to the playoffs. Take Kobe off that team, & they're quite possibly the worst in the league. He got the most out of trash like Kwame, BCook, & Smush.
                    i'm not saying kobe didn't make his teammates better, but to say that no one gets more out of their players then kobe does is cynical

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                    • TMagic
                      G.O.A.T.
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 7550

                      #55
                      Re: In response to Bill Simmons' recent article

                      I don't know why any of you guys are even bothering with responding to Kash.

                      Do you really think you're going to be able to convince him of anything?

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                      • 23
                        yellow
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 66469

                        #56
                        Re: In response to Bill Simmons' recent article

                        Im locking this thread

                        Its ridiculous really just another kobe/kash thread

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