NBA Video Rulebook / Traveling rule changed

[ex carrabba fan]

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I really don't understand why so many people exaggerate and say outrageous stuff like the NBA is being ruined, etc...

EVERYWHERE around the world a player gets 2 steps once he ends his dribble. Everywhere. Here in Europe, generally in FIBA basketball, on the playgrounds, etc. Everyone knows that you get 2 steps before a pass or a shot. It's like the most basic unwritten common knowledge in basketball. All this "rule change" (rule explanation really) did was explicitly state this. So please, don't go all doosmday scenarios because that's being ignorant.

Fiba has the same 2 step rule? Can I get a link? I remember USA getting called for travels with frequency in the past 10 years or so

[Jet Sufferer]

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Fiba has the same 2 step rule? Can I get a link? I remember USA getting called for travels with frequency in the past 10 years or so

The traveling rules were pretty much universal until about 10 years ago. International, NBA, traditionally you were always allowed 2 or 2 1/2 steps. Watch the original Dream Team, you'll see the difference in what's allowed today, totally different game, traveling wise.

[PrOdIgY_4eVeR]

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Fiba has the same 2 step rule? Can I get a link? I remember USA getting called for travels with frequency in the past 10 years or so

Yes, FIBA rule is the same, for example check out this play: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFlieI0X4Rg

I have watched both NBA and FIBA ball for many years, and I can tell you there are only two main differences regarding the way travelling is called in each one of them:

1. In the NBA, after receiving the ball on the move, you can take 2 steps before you shoot, pass or dribble. In FIBA play you can take 2 steps if you 're going to eventually shoot or pass, but if you want to dribble you have to do it immediately after receiving the pass without taking any extra steps. This is why in FIBA this (watch Kobe as he receives it) and this (Pierce) would be travelling. Note that this is based on the NBA's 08/09 rulebook. According to this article, in the part where he says "The new rule reads....", he doesn't mention anything about dribbling after receiving the ball and taking 2 steps, so maybe this has been outlawed for 2009/10 (I doubt it though).

2. In the NBA, the violation where a player lifts his pivot foot before the ball is released from his hand is almost never called. It is almost completely ignored, although stated clearly in the rulebook. Example. This type of travelling is frequently whistled in FIBA, but has become common practice in the NBA and is done virtually automatically by every player. If you pay close attention you will see it done several times in any NBA game.

[X*Cell]

Re: NBA Video Rulebook / Traveling rule changed

I really don't understand why so many people exaggerate and say outrageous stuff like the NBA is being ruined, etc...

EVERYWHERE around the world a player gets 2 steps once he ends his dribble. Everywhere. Here in Europe, generally in FIBA basketball, on the playgrounds, etc. Everyone knows that you get 2 steps before a pass or a shot. It's like the most basic unwritten common knowledge in basketball. All this "rule change" (rule explanation really) did was explicitly state this. So please, don't go all doosmday scenarios because that's being ignorant.

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[VDusen04]

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I'm fine with 2 steps and 2 1/2 steps, but the hop step has turned it into 4 steps and 4 1/2 steps, and pivot foot integrity is all but ignored. The game is nowhere near 97% of what it was in the traveling department. Watch some older games, the traveling, palming rules are totally different.

It started when Jordan first retired, the league was looking for more "spectacular" plays, now it's just totally out of control, they've changed the game in a big way for the worse.

10 years ago if you tried some of these moves even in a pick-up game guys would laugh at what an obvious travel it was and not even debate it. Look at those 2 LeBron videos above, the 2nd one was to win a playoff game. That's not basketball.

Yeah I didn't mean to put an exact number on how closely today's game resembles that of day's past (the 97% thing). I was just saying that I personally feel good (for the most part) about how the game is played today.

I cannot view videos, but I am going to assume one of the plays above is the LeBron gamewinner against the Wizards a couple of years ago. I did not feel comfortable with that play, and the referees did not make the correct call, but I also do not think it was a case of them looking at his play and saying, "Yep, that's legal." In fact (and this does not absolve the officials of their wrongdoing) I thought that call was more a result of the refs being in fear of calling something "petty" so to speak on a deciding play. Clearly, by not calling the travel, they decided the game just as much as they would have had they made the right call. The point is there were a number of things at work on that particular play aside from a official's simple acknowledgement of legality. I do not see that type of play completed without a violation often enough for me to object to the way the game is called today.

I feel like I should be a traditionalist and insist everyone dribble with their hand entirely on top of the ball at all times, but for some reason that's not how I feel in this case. I am satisfied because the evolution of ballhandling rules has opened up a vast realm of entertaining creativity while maintaining the game's general principles.

[TheMatrix31]

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They don't call traveling anyway, so who cares?