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  • BlueNGold
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2009
    • 21817

    #151
    Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

    Originally posted by JBH3
    I think my uh..."dislike" for Kobe is much documented.
    I'm just bringing that up because it seems that everyone that has some kind of issue with LeBron keeps hanging on to the fact he walked off the court when the Cavs lost to Orlando but no one mentions anything about Kobe walking off the court against the Celts (if I am remembering correctly).

    And to be honest, it seems like guys (not you specifically, JBH) are just waiting for LeBron to slip up and do one thing that is even close to questionable so they can take their shots at him. IDK, maybe it's just me that is seeing it like that.
    Last edited by BlueNGold; 12-07-2009, 11:24 PM.
    Originally posted by bradtxmale
    I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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    • Jukeman
      Showtime
      • Aug 2005
      • 10955

      #152
      Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

      I dance at my job all the time...

      All my co workers also does it...Even the managers....

      Heck, when I used to work at Wal-Mart, it was "mandatory" to do a dance ritual....

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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #153
        Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

        Originally posted by BlueNGold
        I'm just bringing that up because it seems that everyone that has some kind of issue with LeBron keeps hanging on to the fact he walked off the court when the Cavs lost to Orlando but no one mentions anything about Kobe walking off the court against the Celts (if I am remembering correctly).
        He hugged some Celts before leaving the floor.

        I didn't get on LBJ for that either

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        • JBH3
          Marvel's Finest
          • Jan 2007
          • 13506

          #154
          Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

          Originally posted by BlueNGold
          I'm just bringing that up because it seems that everyone that has some kind of issue with LeBron keeps hanging on to the fact he walked off the court when the Cavs lost to Orlando but no one mentions anything about Kobe walking off the court against the Celts (if I am remembering correctly).

          And to be honest, it seems like guys (not you specifically, JBH) are just waiting for LeBron to slip up and do one thing that is even close to questionable so they can take their shots at him. IDK, maybe it's just me that is seeing it like that.
          With great power, comes great responsibility.
          Originally posted by Edmund Burke
          All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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          • BlueNGold
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2009
            • 21817

            #155
            Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            He hugged some Celts before leaving the floor.

            I didn't get on LBJ for that either
            I guess I was wrong then.

            Not to try and change the topic (even though this pretty much is on topic considering it's turned into a LeBron hate thread) but I really don't see the big deal with LeBron walking off the court after losing to Orlando. It has nothing to do with me being a LeBron/Cavs fan either but I just don't see the issue there.

            I don't really consider shaking hands after a loss a ritual in the NBA as it is in the NHL where you line up at center ice after a playoff series is over and shake hands.
            Originally posted by bradtxmale
            I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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            • JBH3
              Marvel's Finest
              • Jan 2007
              • 13506

              #156
              Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

              Originally posted by Jukeman
              I dance at my job all the time...

              All my co workers also does it...Even the managers....

              Heck, when I used to work at Wal-Mart, it was "mandatory" to do a dance ritual....
              lol...I said professional. Half the people I see at Wal-Mart act as if I'm doing them a disservice by asking them a question while they're on the job....smacking their lips, rolling their eyes, or just acting annoyed that they have to do their job.

              Those aren't professionals. However, this mostly applies to the younger workers, and workers my age (28 or so). I was in there on Sunday getting some snow boots for my 2 yr old son and was helped by a nice, albeit older (50's), lady. That makes a difference...older people cherish their job more than younger folk.
              Originally posted by Edmund Burke
              All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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              • ricanbxbomba
                Rookie
                • Jan 2005
                • 402

                #157
                Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

                Originally posted by JBH3
                With great power, comes great responsibility.
                Thank you, Uncle Ben.

                All this dancing being disrespectful is non-sense...

                I've seen the Knicks lose and Nate and others still dance, crack jokes, ect..

                Like someone said earlier, it's just having clean fun. Now if someone was to walk to another player and taunt in their face...

                More than a few years back.. the Rook - Soph game didnt someone bounce the ball off another player head?

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                • Jukeman
                  Showtime
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 10955

                  #158
                  Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

                  Originally posted by JBH3
                  lol...I said professional. Half the people I see at Wal-Mart act as if I'm doing them a disservice by asking them a question while they're on the job....smacking their lips, rolling their eyes, or just acting annoyed that they have to do their job.

                  Those aren't professionals. However, this mostly applies to the younger workers, and workers my age (28 or so). I was in there on Sunday getting some snow boots for my 2 yr old son and was helped by a nice, albeit older (50's), lady. That makes a difference...older people cherish their job more than younger folk.
                  Im talking about management...They have to do the "wal mart chant and dance" every morning

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                  • JBH3
                    Marvel's Finest
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 13506

                    #159
                    Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

                    Originally posted by ricanbxbomba
                    Thank you, Uncle Ben.

                    All this dancing being disrespectful is non-sense...

                    I've seen the Knicks lose and Nate and others still dance, crack jokes, ect..

                    Like someone said earlier, it's just having clean fun. Now if someone was to walk to another player and taunt in their face...

                    More than a few years back.. the Rook - Soph game didnt someone bounce the ball off another player head?
                    What about the Knicks is professional...Again, your're assuming that group of clowns care about anything more than collecting their check. Ask Noah if it was clean fun. Regardless, this all goes back to the way this dude loses games...He handles each outcome to the extreme.

                    People have got a problem w/ Bellicheck not wanting to walk across the field and shake the other coach's hand. Same aspect applies to Lebron and his failure at humility.

                    In the end you dudes can carry yourself however you want. Far be it from me to tell you. So act a fool in good fun and let me know how it does for you. Peace.
                    Originally posted by Edmund Burke
                    All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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                    • ricanbxbomba
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 402

                      #160
                      Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

                      Geez, sorry for calling you Uncle Ben. lol

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                      • BlueNGold
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 21817

                        #161
                        Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

                        Here's the thing about people saying "Why doesn't LeBron dance when the Cavs are losing?". Those same people asking that would be the same ones who would say "What a fool. He doesn't give a **** about his team or the game" if he were dancing while the Cavs were losing.
                        Originally posted by bradtxmale
                        I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                        • Jukeman
                          Showtime
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 10955

                          #162
                          Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

                          Originally posted by JBH3
                          What about the Knicks is professional...Again, your're assuming that group of clowns care about anything more than collecting their check. Ask Noah if it was clean fun. Regardless, this all goes back to the way this dude loses games...He handles each outcome to the extreme.

                          People have got a problem w/ Bellicheck not wanting to walk across the field and shake the other coach's hand. Same aspect applies to Lebron and his failure at humility.

                          In the end you dudes can carry yourself however you want. Far be it from me to tell you. So act a fool in good fun and let me know how it does for you. Peace.


                          Noah has anger issues....



                          Whats really wrong with playing cheerleader for your team? At the end of the game, its all really just entertainment...

                          Their fans love it....

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                          • HMcCoy
                            All Star
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 8212

                            #163
                            Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

                            Originally posted by JBH3
                            I can't speak for you, but having been in the Marine Corps, having had a respect for authority I've dealt w/ "adversity" in an orderly manner.

                            I've had plenty of run-ins with cops. In fact I got pulled over twice while having had a few drinks after a night in the clubs, but presented myself professionally, coherently, passed a field sobriety test and was on my way.

                            Again, cant' speak for you...but seen many dudes try and pull ish w/ the cops. The bump MY music in my air force ones-types, and seen this attitude with dudes that gets them the treatment they receive. But that's far off from the basis of what I said regarding two professional types...

                            The keyword here is "P-R-O-F-E-S-S-I-O-N-A-L"...

                            Again...That's where I'm going with this. When I bust out some wicked financial analysis at my paper-pushing desk job I don't get up out my seat and start popn and lockn.
                            So again, you have limited perspective. You got caught drinking and driving, and prudently went the "yes sir, no sir" route...and got off. Lol, props. Some peolpe do nothing, and get pulled over anyway, and are belligerent about it. The fact that you immediately associate that treatment with the "bump MY music in my air force ones-types" shows your ignorance. Sometimes it's just the dude who had a long day at work, and didn't feel like being racially profiled today types. Or the just going to the mall with a couple buddies to get some gear types, who again, don't appreciate being harrassed for having a ball cap on.

                            And please don't tell me you are comparing the atmosphere of an NBA basketball game with music blaring, crowd roaring, and dancers dancing...to your desk job!?

                            That smiley about makes as much sense.

                            ...and what happens when things go bad? When things go horribly bad, and your MVP season comes to an end right before having a chance to go face to face w/ Kobe in a built-up epic battle? Hmmm....? lol what did we witness there bruh?

                            The dancing coupled w/ the horrible way in which this dude loses is MY issue.
                            Again with the kvetching over a handshake. Overzealous profiling based on fuzzy concepts. Has every player lined up at halfcourt and congratulated the other team at the end of a championship game? Middle school yes. Grownups, not so much. How much time did you spend analyzing Anthony Johnson not going up to hug Kobe after the Finals loss? HORRIBLE! The fact that its' not a rule, written or unwritten, makes your issues completely subjective.

                            S-U-B-J-E-C-T-I-V-E

                            Look man...I get tired of this show me ****. I just got league pass this year. Otherwise I was tuned into the Wizards, and watching my favorite player to his dizzle...that being Caron Butler. I no holds barred, gritty, blue-collar, night in night out brawler (when healthy of course). That summarizes my favortie player. Even Iverson didn't dance, at least not in the many games I saw him.

                            He'd cuff his hand around his ear to get the roar of the crowd but wouldn't be dancing.
                            I can respect that. I like those Tuff Juice type players also. As Ive said ad nauseum, I'm not really into Bron's histrionics either. I prefer scowls to dance moves. But I don't need to make up over overblow stuff about players that don't fit into my "likes".

                            Start a "I can't believe Ronny Turiaf" thread and I'll gladly show my distaste...oh wait..."hate"...for him. It's not limited in scope. I just didn't know Turiaf danced or PP did whatever....I otherwise don't care about what other players, on a nightly basis, do in celebration.

                            However, when it's brought to my attention via OS I'm then aware. If there was already a Ronny Turiaf thread that I never saw than please point me in that direction. Otherwise don't sit here and make it seem like I'm singling out one player when I'm not even aware or have any idea that there are other players out there with multiple dance routines.... lol that just sounds funny and gay at the same time.
                            And yet with something that bothers you so tremendously, you'd think you could point to other cases, since in reality, it happens all the time. OR...admit that since it happens a lot, but OS as a whole only brings it up when it's Lebron doing it and it makes the news...that he reality is you and OS are indeed singling out James. Do you fear your opinion losing credibility if you admit it? Just curious. You can make a viable point and still admit a skewed perspective, bro.

                            This is the last I'll say on it...Bron likes attention and is the leagues class clown. Like the class clowns you grew up with, something in his past made him an attention whore. Ron Artest is similar. Who knows why. But to villafy him, and anyone else who likes attention as social deviants and terrible role models, while trying to pretend that it has nothing to do with biases...is just silly, IMO, of course.
                            Last edited by HMcCoy; 12-08-2009, 12:09 AM.
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                              yellow
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 66469

                              #164
                              Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

                              Mccoy check your PM man... for real

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                              • JBH3
                                Marvel's Finest
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 13506

                                #165
                                Re: Where is the line between having fun and disrespect

                                Originally posted by HMcCoy
                                So again, you have limited perspective. You got caught drinking and driving, and prudently went the "yes sir, no sir" route...and got off. Lol, props. Some peolpe do nothing, and get pulled over anyway, and are belligerent about it. The fact that you immediately associate that treatment with the "bump MY music in my air force ones-types" shows your ignorance. Sometimes it's just the dude who had a long day at work, and didn't feel like being racially profiled today types. Or the just going to the mall with a couple buddies to get some gear types, who again, don't appreciate being harrassed for having a ball cap on.
                                If you were wrongfully stopped on any occasion I'm sorry. That is unjust, but that's not what we're talking about. The point was it's absurd for a cop or anyone considered a 'professional' to act this way. The absurdity is all I was trying to illustrate.

                                All I'm trying to say is once you're winning by 20, much like once you've got someone in handcuffs, there's no need to taunt someone. The dancing, in my mind, is taunting. It's BS because Lebron's as sore a loser as they come.

                                Originally posted by HMcCoy
                                And please don't tell me you are comparing the atmosphere of an NBA basketball game with music blaring, crowd roaring, and dancers dancing...to your desk job!?
                                I just beat the Celtics in 2K10 in Boston w/ the 76ers. I won by 16, 99-83. I got up and started dancing, taunting my 360, it felt sooooo goood smh.

                                Anyways....Call me old school, but I don't remember seeing highlights of those who built the NBA dancing and shimmying and what not. Jordan, Wilt, Robertsen, Barkley, Olajuwon, Russell, West, etc., etc., etc.,

                                I also hold issue w/ the over-the-top HR celebrations. See Prince Fielder walk-off HR, and some of what has been done in the NFL... i.e. TO spiking it on the Dallas star...unnecessary (and I'm not a Cowboy...AT ALL).

                                Originally posted by HMcCoy
                                Again with the kvetching over a handshake. Overzealous profiling based on fuzzy concepts. Has every player lined up at halfcourt and congratulated the other team at the end of a championship game? Middle school yes. Grownups, not so much. How much time did you spend analyzing Anthony Johnson not going up to hug Kobe after the Finals loss? HORRIBLE! The fact that its' not a rule, written or unwritten, makes your issues completely subjective.

                                S-U-B-J-E-C-T-I-V-E
                                Anthony Johnson isn't the leader of his team is he? Dwight represents the Magic, and he stayed on the court, congratulated Kobe, and didn't walk off and send some bitchassness email or facebook note or something. Then duck the media and THEN state "I'm a winner"...It's pathetic.

                                You never had to pay so close attention to these once common practices among men because they occurred w/o giving any thought to it. It was engrained in the minds of most competitors, or those who respected their opponent. Respect is a free falling principle nowadays. It's evident in sports, in the classroom, on the road, in a shopping line, everywhere.

                                Originally posted by HMcCoy
                                I can respect that. I like those Tuff Juice type players also. As Ive said ad nauseum, I'm not really into Bron's histrionics either. I prefer scowls to dance moves. But I don't need to make up over overblow stuff about players that don't fit into my "likes".
                                Again...I was never trying to over blow it. Just trying to illustrate how absurd it is to do this, let alone in a game, when you have a long documented history of losing poorly.

                                Originally posted by HMcCoy
                                And yet with something that bothers you so tremendously, you'd think you could point to other cases, since in reality, it happens all the time. OR...admit that since it happens a lot, but OS as a whole only brings it up when it's Lebron doing it and it makes the news...that he reality is you and OS are indeed singling out James. Do you fear your opinion losing credibility if you admit it? Just curious. You can make a viable point and still admit a skewed perspective, bro.
                                Ok. So you assume that what the above was directed towards was a lie, or that I only "choose" to address the topics where I like to "spew venom". Please man. If you don't want to accept what I previously posted regarding the above that's your problem, not mine.

                                I post more in the video games threads than I do any others so if I missed an opportunity to address Ronny Turiaf's antics or someone else...excuse me.

                                Originally posted by HMcCoy
                                This is the last I'll say on it...Bron likes attention and is the leagues class clown. Like the class clowns you grew up with, something in his past made him an attention whore. Ron Artest is similar. Who knows why. But to villafy him, and anyone else who likes attention as social deviants and terrible role models, while trying to pretend that it has nothing to do with biases...is just silly, IMO, of course.
                                How many chances do I have to give a player before I decide "Yup...don't like them"? I started noticing Lebron's "acts" the very moment he approached Gilbert Arenas at the line in the playoffs.

                                I had never EVER seen another player do that, and thought WTF is he doing. I was then a little more angry that no other Wizard sort of "escorted" him away.

                                Regardless, from that point I started noticing things that didn't sit well with me. I can't like someone that I cannot respect. If you feel it is trivial or short-sighted then cry me a river. I was the anti-Jordan fan, having been a Barkley fan all those years. He told me he wasn't a role model. I respect that. ...and it turns out...I don't want to be like Mike. ...or Charles...but only Charles was man enough to let me know that.

                                However, you won't see me not put LBJ where he deserves on one of those stupid "Rank your top10" lists that crop up all the damn time. Nope. I'll put him where he belongs, just like Kobe.
                                Last edited by JBH3; 12-08-2009, 09:45 AM.
                                Originally posted by Edmund Burke
                                All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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