Andray Blatche...Blessing in disguise?

[ScoobySnax]

Re: Andray Blatche...Blessing in disuise?

Blatche and Nick Young for Andrea Bargnani and Demar Derozan.

No way! LOL

[wwharton]

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Any and every Mav's fan would beg to differ.

Josh Howard is a great player but seems to be injured half the time.

He has been, but so has Butler. I guess I meant more the timing than anything. Even with the injury I'd like to see them bring Howard back.

[Cebby]

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Blatche and Nick Young for Andrea Bargnani and Demar Derozan.

Nobody wants any of your Toronto garbage players and their absurd contracts.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Nick Young would be the last player I would ask for in return.

[rockchisler]

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No way! LOL

That will never happen, Maybe your first round picks the next 5 years unprotected..Hahaha

[GSW]

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the point of a good NBA team is to have 6-8 very good nba players all who fit a role.

Blatche never wanted to play his role, he was on a good(decent) team and had every oppurtunity to contribute towards meaningful wins...yet he didnt.

Jamsion wasnt blocking his light at all, he (Blatche) is a good player...but imo if hes a featured player in any offense, that team wont be winning anything meaningful.

He will put up numbers, and look like an "All Star" occasionally but its not a wise decision to build around him. as some sort of pillar of any good/great basketball team

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Couldn't agree more, GSW.

[J_Posse]

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the point of a good NBA team is to have 6-8 very good nba players all who fit a role.

Blatche never wanted to play his role, he was on a good(decent) team and had every oppurtunity to contribute towards meaningful wins...yet he didnt.

Jamsion wasnt blocking his light at all, he (Blatche) is a good player...but imo if hes a featured player in any offense, that team wont be winning anything meaningful.

He will put up numbers, and look like an "All Star" occasionally but its not a wise decision to build around him. as some sort of pillar of any good/great basketball team

I don't agree with you at all, GSW. People made the same assertions about Lamar Odom, especially when he was with the Clippers, and it turns out he can be an integral cog of championship team. It's all about bringing the right pieces around one another and allowing those players to gel. Well, Washington was a team featuring a chucker at point guard, a hard-nosed but often injured swing-man and a tweener with no defensive ability as their centerpieces. They were never going to succeed because the main pieces were too injury-prone and couldn't play consistent defense.

Andray was stuck playing 15-25 minutes a night at either the 4 or 5. Yes, he was inconsistent and a "disappointment," but he was also usually playing guys more skilled and seasoned than him. You couldn't really expect a kid coming straight out of high school, playing a reserve role, to ever really develop to his full potential. But, now he'll have that opportunity to be a "main guy" while the team rebuilds.We'll see if that results in him developing into an all-star caliber player and if he can aid the Wizards in their new direction, but saying that he can't become a good player on a quality team this early in his career in unfair.

I could make the same claims about your boy, Anthony Randolph.

[GSW]

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im sorry...but isnt Lamar Odom a sixth man?

you just proved my point.

Andray is not going to be a MAIN piece to any substantial winning. now or in the future...he had a chance to play a role and he failed...he didnt want to...whatever reaosn you want to give...

I am not saying he sucks...or hes not good...hes a good player..inconsistent has the ability to put up good numbers aginst ****ty teams. but if he is your 1/2 option your team is not very good.

trust me i know what its like to have a good/decent player be on a bad team and put up numbers...its not very difficult to do.

Again my argument is about WINNING...sure he might make a all star team...but he wont be WINNING anything substantial being a main cog.

and niether did Lamar Odom.

[AlexBrady]

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im sorry...but isnt Lamar Odom a sixth man?

you just proved my point.

Andray is not going to be a MAIN piece to any substantial winning. now or in the future...he had a chance to play a role and he failed...he didnt want to...whatever reaosn you want to give...

I am not saying he sucks...or hes not good...hes a good player..inconsistent has the ability to put up good numbers aginst ****ty teams. but if he is your 1/2 option your team is not very good.

trust me i know what its like to have a good/decent player be on a bad team and put up numbers...its not very difficult to do.

Again my argument is about WINNING...sure he might make a all star team...but he wont be WINNING anything substantial being a main cog.

and niether did Lamar Odom.

You nailed it. Putting up numbers is the easy part. This is something the general media cannot comprehend.

[J_Posse]

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im sorry...but isnt Lamar Odom a sixth man?

you just proved my point.

Andray is not going to be a MAIN piece to any substantial winning. now or in the future...he had a chance to play a role and he failed...he didnt want to...whatever reaosn you want to give...

I am not saying he sucks...or hes not good...hes a good player..inconsistent has the ability to put up good numbers aginst ****ty teams. but if he is your 1/2 option your team is not very good.

trust me i know what its like to have a good/decent player be on a bad team and put up numbers...its not very difficult to do.

Again my argument is about WINNING...sure he might make a all star team...but he wont be WINNING anything substantial being a main cog.

and niether did Lamar Odom.

So, by your definition Vinnie Johnson, Manu Ginobili, Kevin McHale and Billy Cunningham weren't integral cogs since they were sixth men? Lamar wasn't the biggest piece (Kobe Bryant) to the Lakers championship run, but he definitely played a big part since last I checked the Lakers front-court depth sucks after him.

The Wizards were never going to win a title, and it didn't have anything to do with Andray accepting his role, since they never stayed healthy enough or played enough defense.

He'll never be a #1 or #2 option on a championship team, but neither have Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson or Ray Allen, but he could end up in the right situation and win a title being top 5 player on a championship.You have yet to respond, but the same comments and arguments can be made of Anthony Randolph.

You nailed it. Putting up numbers is the easy part. This is something the general media cannot comprehend.

What does your point about the media have to do with this discussion? Andray's only 23 years-old and has been in the league 4 or 5 seasons, I'd think it's a little early to say what he can and can't accomplish.Why do people always feel the need to put low expectations on certain players and ridiculously high expectations on others?

[GSW]

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i dont know what to reply to. you are all over the place.

But, I coulda swore Dirk had his team in the Finals, and has made multiple deep playoff runs, same with Nash and Ray Allen....I dont get where you are going with that.

Im not responding to your Anthony Randolph inquiries because it is irelevant to this discussion.

[AlexBrady]

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So, by your definition Vinnie Johnson, Manu Ginobili, Kevin McHale and Billy Cunningham weren't integral cogs since they were sixth men? Lamar wasn't the biggest piece (Kobe Bryant) to the Lakers championship run, but he definitely played a big part since last I checked the Lakers front-court sucks after him.

The Wizards were never going to win a title, and it didn't have anything to do with Andray accepting his role, since they never stayed health enough or played enough defense.

He'll never be a #1 or 2 option on a championship team, but neither have Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson or Ray Allen, but he could end up in the right situation and win a title being top 5 player. You have yet to respond, but the same comments and arguments can be made of Anthony Randolph.



What is your point about the media have to do with this discussion? Andray's only 23 years-old and has been in the league 4 or 5 seasons, I'd think it's a little early to say what he can and can't accomplish.Why do people always feel the need to put low expectations on certain players and ridiculously high expectations on others? Enjoy his career-arc as it continues and let's see where a guy is in 5 to 10 years.

We'll see where his career arc goes. In the here and now, Blatche is a flash player who seems to have aspirations of being a point guard. He routinely overhandles, has a low IQ, and his defense is all over the place. Going into the future, he should also stop complaining about his touches.

And to correct you, Ray Allen actually was a number 2 scoring option on the Boston Celtics 2008 championship team. In addition, he courageously defended Kobe Bryant.
The belief that Garnett was the number 2 scoring option was incorrect.

[J_Posse]

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i dont know what to reply to. you are all over the place.

But, I coulda swore Dirk had his team in the Finals, and has made multiple deep playoff runs, same with Nash and Ray Allen....I dont get where you are going with that.

Im not responding to your Anthony Randolph inquiries because it is irelevant to this discussion.

You've already lost the argument then since Blatche has played on playoff teams in the past, as well. My statement has to do with winning championships while being #1 or #2 option, I thought that was the main point of the second responses, which none of those guys has done except for Ray. Yet, Ray wasn't the #1 or #2 guy on that Celtics championship team.

Randolph is similar in size, skill and personality/attitude to Andray. He's been in Nellie's doghouse just like Andray found himself in Eddie's at times. I'm sure that if given the opportunity Randolph would produce, but he's just Turiaf, Maggette and others in his way. Like I said, he's a relevant point since his situation is similar to Andray's the last two seasons.

[J_Posse]

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We'll see where his career arc goes. In the here and now, Blatche is a flash player who seems to have aspirations of being a point guard. He routinely overhandles, has a low IQ, and his defense is all over the place. Going into the future, he should also stop complaining about his touches.

And to correct you, Ray Allen actually was a number 2 scoring option on the Boston Celtics 2008 championship team. In addition, he courageously defended Kobe Bryant.
The belief that Garnett was the number 2 scoring option was incorrect.

Yes, both those points are true. Ray Allen was the number 2 scoring option for the Celtics in the Conference Finals and Finals. But, Garnett and Pierce carried the load while he worked his way out of the shooting slump he suffered through in the first 2 rounds.

Also, Garnett was the best player and most important part of that title team. He brought a defensive attitude and intensity that they couldn't have replicated without him. Now, that his lateral quickness and overall athletic ability has begun to slip, the team can't play the same level of defense throughout an entire 48 minutes.