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  • LingeringRegime
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    • Jun 2007
    • 17089

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    New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

    Through the years, there have been many different sets of data about clutch shooting. Any which way I have ever seen it sliced (last five minutes of close games to last ten seconds), as I have written on TrueHoop before, it has looked like Kobe Bryant has been a guy who shoots a ton in crunch time, and hits at a pretty good, but not elite, rate.


    Through the years, there have been many different sets of data about clutch shooting. Any which way I have ever seen it sliced (last five minutes of close games to last ten seconds), as I have written on TrueHoop before, it has looked like Kobe Bryant has been a guy who shoots a ton in crunch time, and hits at a pretty good, but not elite, rate.

    I'm open to the idea that he could still be the best clutch player in the NBA. At that time of the game, there's value in being able to create scoring opportunities. Bryant may shoot those difficult fallaways that often miss, but he'd be a far worse player if he couldn't get a shot off at all. And that's the situation some lesser players would find themselves in.

    Quite honestly, I think the real way to crown a crunch time king would be with video. Somebody should make a TV special where they string together every crunch time touch of the handful of elite end-game players (Bryant, LeBron James, Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony etc.) If we want to tell the world that somebody is the most likely to succeed in a certain setting, let's take an honest and complete look at how they do in that setting. Show me the turnovers, the misses and all that. Let everyone watch all of that video -- not just the makes! -- and at the end of that I think we'll end up with a good sense of who's the best.

    A lot of sports fans think it's crazy talk to even consider candidates other than Bryant. And they're especially vocal right now, when Bryant seems to be hitting game-winners just about every night.

    So, how's it going?

    Very well.

    Peter D. Newmann of NBA Statistics and Information Research has tallied some numbers that take into account this season. Here are some of his findings:

    This season, Bryant has made seven of the 12 shots, with a chance to win or tie the game, in the last ten seconds of regulation or overtime.

    Bryant's the only player in the last decade who has made seven such shots in a season.

    Bryant has made 26 of the 89 potential game tying or game-winning field goals he has shot over the last decade. That's 29.2%, which is slightly above League average.

    His game-winners, against the Heat, Bucks, Kings, Celtics, Grizzlies, Heat and Raptors come in a season when no other player has hit more than three such shots. Derrick Rose has the second-most attempts, with eight.

    The best field goal percentage, on potential game-tying or game-winning field goals in the last 10 seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime, belongs to Chris Paul. He has hit three of his four shots. Chris Bosh, Chris Duhon, Tim Duncan, Raymond Felton, Rudy Gay, David Lee, Rashard Lewis and O.J. Mayo are all two of three. This season, the League as a whole makes just 26.7% of its shots in that situation.

    Over the last decade, by field goal percentage the best shooters in this setting have been Carmelo Anthony (13-28, .464), Pau Gasol (9-22, .409), Tony Parker (11-29, .379), Chris Paul (9-24, .375) and Shawn Marion (10-28, .357). Bryant over the same period is 26-89 (.292).

    Bryant has attempted by far the most such shots of anyone over the last decade. His 89 is trailed by Vince Carter's 69, Paul Pierce's 57, Dwyane Wade's 51 and LeBron James' 50.

    Bryant's 26 makes also lead the League, followed by Carter with 20, Ray Allen with 17 and Allen Iverson's 14. Carmelo Anthony, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce have each made 13.
  • 23
    yellow
    • Sep 2002
    • 66469

    #2
    Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

    Another truly overrated statistic that really means nothing at all

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    • Muzyk23
      MVP
      • Feb 2003
      • 4192

      #3
      Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

      does it mean that defense got better this season or that the players taking the last shot fail more often? both? the latter?
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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #4
        Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

        Well Bean's crunch time shot over the last few years have been low percentage and has been shown but they are again making up more stats just to hype something up.

        Just like that how many game winners did he hit while flying back to LA from a court trial. BSPN makes crap stats up all the time.

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        • KG
          Welcome Back
          • Sep 2005
          • 17583

          #5
          Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

          Originally posted by 23
          Well Bean's crunch time shot over the last few years have been low percentage and has been shown but they are again making up more stats just to hype something up.

          Just like that how many game winners did he hit while flying back to LA from a court trial. BSPN makes crap stats up all the time.
          You can't make up stats though. They are tangible and measurable. Now the BSPN hype machine has always been ridiculous, I just notice it more now and have more options to choose when I want to avoid it.
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          • 23
            yellow
            • Sep 2002
            • 66469

            #6
            Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

            Well im not discounting them, what im saying is they make up categories as they go.

            If anything, this article would be right along with my thinking as this guy gets the most talk but doesnt lead
            in the actual efficiency when its broken down

            While they're going on about the game winners, they are totally ignoring the fg% and the fact that they're completely dismissing the fact that guys like LeBron and Carmelo are squashing their teams and putting their feet on their necks and therefore there is no reason for a game winning shot.

            ..but the way they're presenting things is that you're witnessing some kind of brand new greatness and find ways to throw MJs name in the mix and this crap is old and tired.

            I could easily dismiss it but I live in LA and you likely dont encounter the Kobe zombies that I do. One guy at my job who runs at the mouth about LA all the time was like a newly converted MUTE when they were on their winning streak, then he walks in the office talking about best closer in the game... give me a break

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            • Cebby
              Banned
              • Apr 2005
              • 22327

              #7
              Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

              Originally posted by 23
              Well im not discounting them, what im saying is they make up categories as they go.

              If anything, this article would be right along with my thinking as this guy gets the most talk but doesnt lead
              in the actual efficiency when its broken down
              That's not really true.

              7-12 is not the highest percentage, but it is certainly the best numbers of the players mentioned.

              Hitting nearly 60% on 12 shots is much more difficult to do than hitting 66% on 3 shots.

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              • Scott812313
                MVP
                • Jun 2009
                • 1877

                #8
                Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

                Originally posted by 23
                Well im not discounting them, what im saying is they make up categories as they go.

                If anything, this article would be right along with my thinking as this guy gets the most talk but doesnt lead
                in the actual efficiency when its broken down

                While they're going on about the game winners, they are totally ignoring the fg% and the fact that they're completely dismissing the fact that guys like LeBron and Carmelo are squashing their teams and putting their feet on their necks and therefore there is no reason for a game winning shot.

                ..but the way they're presenting things is that you're witnessing some kind of brand new greatness and find ways to throw MJs name in the mix and this crap is old and tired.

                I could easily dismiss it but I live in LA and you likely dont encounter the Kobe zombies that I do. One guy at my job who runs at the mouth about LA all the time was like a newly converted MUTE when they were on their winning streak, then he walks in the office talking about best closer in the game... give me a break
                Kobe is the best closer in the game by far. That avatar is a joke too, you have the most cold-blooded end game assasin ever and then the guy who is a coward at the end of games and doesn't have the guts to take the last shot. That lucky 3 he hit against the Magic last year to delay the inevitable was awesome too. Watch the replay of it, he is in disbelief that he actually made a clutch shot. When Kobe does it he looks like he expected it to go down.
                "In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That's Jim Tressel."

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                • TheMatrix31
                  RF
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 52908

                  #9
                  Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

                  Originally posted by Scott812313
                  Kobe is the best closer in the game by far. That avatar is a joke too, you have the most cold-blooded end game assasin ever and then the guy who is a coward at the end of games and doesn't have the guts to take the last shot. That lucky 3 he hit against the Magic last year to delay the inevitable was awesome too. Watch the replay of it, he is in disbelief that he actually made a clutch shot. When Kobe does it he looks like he expected it to go down.

                  ......wow

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                  • phenom1990
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 4789

                    #10
                    Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

                    Not really trying to get this off-topic but if I have one shot to win the game, I want the ball in Melo's hands. He can basically get whatever shot he wants on somebody.
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                    • TMagic
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                      • Apr 2007
                      • 7550

                      #11
                      Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

                      Originally posted by Scott812313
                      Kobe is the best closer in the game by far. That avatar is a joke too, you have the most cold-blooded end game assasin ever and then the guy who is a coward at the end of games and doesn't have the guts to take the last shot. That lucky 3 he hit against the Magic last year to delay the inevitable was awesome too. Watch the replay of it, he is in disbelief that he actually made a clutch shot. When Kobe does it he looks like he expected it to go down.
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                      • Aces15
                        Pro
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 877

                        #12
                        Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

                        Originally posted by 23
                        Well im not discounting them, what im saying is they make up categories as they go.

                        If anything, this article would be right along with my thinking as this guy gets the most talk but doesnt lead
                        in the actual efficiency when its broken down

                        While they're going on about the game winners, they are totally ignoring the fg% and the fact that they're completely dismissing the fact that guys like LeBron and Carmelo are squashing their teams and putting their feet on their necks and therefore there is no reason for a game winning shot.

                        ..but the way they're presenting things is that you're witnessing some kind of brand new greatness and find ways to throw MJs name in the mix and this crap is old and tired.

                        I could easily dismiss it but I live in LA and you likely dont encounter the Kobe zombies that I do. One guy at my job who runs at the mouth about LA all the time was like a newly converted MUTE when they were on their winning streak, then he walks in the office talking about best closer in the game... give me a break
                        Um.... am I missing something, or did you just ignore the end of the article? They said he has the most attempts in the situation, and nowhere near the best percentage.

                        I think it was pretty unbiased, coming from a purely statistical stand-point.

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                        • Porschebenz2001
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                          • Nov 2004
                          • 3628

                          #13
                          Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

                          Originally posted by Scott812313
                          Kobe is the best closer in the game by far. That avatar is a joke too, you have the most cold-blooded end game assasin ever and then the guy who is a coward at the end of games and doesn't have the guts to take the last shot. That lucky 3 he hit against the Magic last year to delay the inevitable was awesome too. Watch the replay of it, he is in disbelief that he actually made a clutch shot. When Kobe does it he looks like he expected it to go down.
                          Kobe looks like every shot he takes will go down. Kobe's my favorite player of all time, not named Ewing, but I think even he would have been surprised at making that 3 against the Magic. And if we are talking about lucky 3's that are game winners, you don't think Kobe has any of those?
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                          • TheMatrix31
                            RF
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 52908

                            #14
                            Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

                            The one he had against Miami was almost IDENTICAL to LeBron's against the Magic.

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                            • Scott812313
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                              • Jun 2009
                              • 1877

                              #15
                              Re: New Numbers on Kobe in Crunch Time (ESPN Article)

                              Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                              The one he had against Miami was almost IDENTICAL to LeBron's against the Magic.
                              the one he hit against the Heat this year was luckier (if thats a word) than the one LeBron hit. But that's the only GW shot I can remember him ever hitting, whereas Kobe makes GW all the time.
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