The LeBron James Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

i believe this was the case, I could see how a teammate messing with your mom could mess up your game...

****reads post****

****looks at name****


Nah...I'll let this one go.

[Cebby]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Current NBA Players have criticized them as well, so does their opinion hold more weight than Barkley's then?

Assuming they never wanted to be traded or changed teams in free agency then I don't have any problem with it.

[DavonBrown]

LeBron Heckled in Cleveland.

http://network.yardbarker.com/NBA/ar...e_Park/3039155

[mKoz26]

Re: LeBron Heckled in Cleveland.

[Insert joke about confiscating the tape.]

[HotSauce2k3]

Re: LeBron Heckled in Cleveland.

Sandusky != Cleveland.

And he wasn't heckled all that much really.

I need to go to Cedar Point this summer.

[in mid air]

Re: LeBron Heckled in Cleveland.

In the second vid some dude yells "Just like the playoffs!"

[The 24th Letter]

Re: LeBron Heckled in Cleveland.

what do cleveland fans, angelina jolie and lot's wife have in common?

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

Re: LeBron Heckled in Cleveland.

I feel like all of this LeBron bashing makes for the perfect ending in him winning x amount of championships (x being greater than 1). It's just being set up so perfectly. Everyone is gonna end up pissed.

[rangerrick012]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

I don't think it's wrong kobe has quit multiple times not just against the suns. Also if the mavericks/sonics/heat have show us anything When it comes to playoffs the regular season record means nothing. Boston definitely had a better team than the cavs.

Oh come on...don't act like LeBron hasn't won with even a lesser team than he had last season. Who was on that team in 07? Yet that didn't stop LeBron from going off and carrying, yes carrying that team to the Finals past a Detroit team that was very comparable to this year's Boston team. Yet 3 years later with a better supporting cast and LeBron goes into Operation Shutdown mode. It's nonsensical. Like I said, it's hard for any team to win when the best player quits, especially when LeBron was the facilitator of that offense.

[HMcCoy]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

How many of you think the Delonte West story is true?

Because I do and I honestly think that's why LeBron played the way he did against the Celtics. Imagine that situation and how it would effect your game, being played in front of millions of people. Even the strongest willed would crumble.

From ground zero, here's my take based on all Ive heard and read...

Lebron had issues with Mike Brown's decision to play Shaq and wanted to stick with Hickson, his pet project. They had several shouting matches on and off the floor, and for the first time Mike Brown played the "I'm the coach, beyotch!" stance. In his mind, Shaq needed to get up to speed if he was going to be any help against the Magic. Also, contrary to expectations, O'neal had worked hard to stay in great shape, and had been a model teammate all year long. Brown felt an obligation to the man, and on paper it was a prudent decision. On the other hand, the Cavs had been scoring alot of points with a smaller lineup, it made more sense to run against the older, slower C's, and Shaq's rust factor was significant. Either way, the rift got ugly and LeBron was heard yelling at Mike Brown to "win without him then".

Thing is though, LeBron wasn't tanking the entire games...he was sitting back to show up MB, thinking he could take over whenever he wanted. After taking the C's to the final seconds of a game 7 two years ago, the Cavs got alot better roster-wise. They also crushed the C's twice in the reg season, and almost erased a 20 point 4th quarter defecit in another game. More importantly, they had demolished the C's by thirty earlier in the series. Bronny Bron THOUGHT he had the C's in his hip pocket, lol.

There were times in both games 5 and 6 where Lebron clearly decided it was time to make things happen, but in both games his "take over" mode was frantic and sloppy. Tons of rushed bricks and turnovers. Worst, a supporting cast built specifically to play off James was shellshocked, directionless, and was losing confidence by the second. It wasn't all LeBron...Give credit to Rondo going nuts, KG being in better shape than anticipated, Andy being completely useless with back spasms, Shaq and Twan having zero chemistry since they'd never played together, and Mike Brown doing a piss poor job with rotations at just the wrong time...and you have a dominant, versatile 61-win team get slaughtered in 6.

Bottom line, there's alot of blame to go around in the situation. So much so, both the pro and anti-Bron camps have plenty of material to cling to.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

From ground zero, here's my take based on all Ive heard and read...

Lebron had issues with Mike Brown's decision to play Shaq and wanted to stick with Hickson, his pet project. They had several shouting matches on and off the floor, and for the first time Mike Brown played the "I'm the coach, beyotch!" stance. In his mind, Shaq needed to get up to speed if he was going to be any help against the Magic. Also, contrary to expectations, O'neal had worked hard to stay in great shape, and had been a model teammate all year long. Brown felt an obligation to the man, and on paper it was a prudent decision. On the other hand, the Cavs had been scoring alot of points with a smaller lineup, it made more sense to run against the older, slower C's, and Shaq's rust factor was significant. Either way, the rift got ugly and LeBron was heard yelling at Mike Brown to "win without him then".

Thing is though, LeBron wasn't tanking the entire games...he was sitting back to show up MB, thinking he could take over whenever he wanted. After taking the C's to the final seconds of a game 7 two years ago, the Cavs got alot better roster-wise. They also crushed the C's twice in the reg season, and almost erased a 20 point 4th quarter defecit in another game. More importantly, they had demolished the C's by thirty earlier in the series. Bronny Bron THOUGHT he had the C's in his hip pocket, lol.

There were times in both games 5 and 6 where Lebron clearly decided it was time to make things happen, but in both games his "take over" mode was frantic and sloppy. Tons of rushed bricks and turnovers. Worst, a supporting cast built specifically to play off James was shellshocked, directionless, and was losing confidence by the second. It wasn't all LeBron...Give credit to Rondo going nuts, KG being in better shape than anticipated, Andy being completely useless with back spasms, Shaq and Twan having zero chemistry since they'd never played together, and Mike Brown doing a piss poor job with rotations at just the wrong time...and you have a dominant, versatile 61-win team get slaughtered in 6.

Bottom line, there's alot of blame to go around in the situation. So much so, both the pro and anti-Bron camps have plenty of material to cling to.

Dude, based on what we witnessed happening during that series this is probably the most plausible, likely and well explained account of things that I've seen since LeBacle Part I went down in May. Where'd you hear/read all this? I assume you get a better read on things since you're in Ohio correct?

[boomhauertjs]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Good take on the situation HMcCoy. (Or he may just have been mad because everybody in the organization knew Delonte was hooking up with his mom except him?)

I'm buying a Charles Barkley #34 Cavs jersey.

[23]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

That doesnt explain why the entire team decided in unison to not listen to Mike Brown and in the end just waive him off like he wasnt even in the arena.

Im sure its always stuff that goes on that people dont tell you about. Blame Lebron all day long, and he did pull his best Kobe act, but he didnt make Mo Williams tell the entire team to stand down when Brown told them to foul.

[wwharton]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

I love Charles, but no player who has demanded a trade or left in free agency has a leg to stand on when criticizing Lebron.

I'd feel you if Charles decided to chime in on the heels of Jordan and Magic's comments. This comment was a direct reaction to Lebron calling out all of his haters, and hinting at that including members of the media and NBA alum... I think that's what Barkley took offense to. My guess is he would've kept his thoughts mostly to himself (until Kenny asked him about it in the first Heat broadcast on TNT next year anyway) if Lebron started learning to keep his mouth shut.

From ground zero, here's my take based on all Ive heard and read...

Lebron had issues with Mike Brown's decision to play Shaq and wanted to stick with Hickson, his pet project. They had several shouting matches on and off the floor, and for the first time Mike Brown played the "I'm the coach, beyotch!" stance. In his mind, Shaq needed to get up to speed if he was going to be any help against the Magic. Also, contrary to expectations, O'neal had worked hard to stay in great shape, and had been a model teammate all year long. Brown felt an obligation to the man, and on paper it was a prudent decision. On the other hand, the Cavs had been scoring alot of points with a smaller lineup, it made more sense to run against the older, slower C's, and Shaq's rust factor was significant. Either way, the rift got ugly and LeBron was heard yelling at Mike Brown to "win without him then".

Thing is though, LeBron wasn't tanking the entire games...he was sitting back to show up MB, thinking he could take over whenever he wanted. After taking the C's to the final seconds of a game 7 two years ago, the Cavs got alot better roster-wise. They also crushed the C's twice in the reg season, and almost erased a 20 point 4th quarter defecit in another game. More importantly, they had demolished the C's by thirty earlier in the series. Bronny Bron THOUGHT he had the C's in his hip pocket, lol.

There were times in both games 5 and 6 where Lebron clearly decided it was time to make things happen, but in both games his "take over" mode was frantic and sloppy. Tons of rushed bricks and turnovers. Worst, a supporting cast built specifically to play off James was shellshocked, directionless, and was losing confidence by the second. It wasn't all LeBron...Give credit to Rondo going nuts, KG being in better shape than anticipated, Andy being completely useless with back spasms, Shaq and Twan having zero chemistry since they'd never played together, and Mike Brown doing a piss poor job with rotations at just the wrong time...and you have a dominant, versatile 61-win team get slaughtered in 6.

Bottom line, there's alot of blame to go around in the situation. So much so, both the pro and anti-Bron camps have plenty of material to cling to.

Best breakdown of what likely happened I've heard.

[wwharton]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

That doesnt explain why the entire team decided in unison to not listen to Mike Brown and in the end just waive him off like he wasnt even in the arena.

Im sure its always stuff that goes on that people dont tell you about. Blame Lebron all day long, and he did pull his best Kobe act, but he didnt make Mo Williams tell the entire team to stand down when Brown told them to foul.

One thing I'm almost positive of is James getting in Brown's face DURING the game. Mo's Lebron's boy. And being real, Hickson deserved more time. Mo probably had Lebron's back and the rest of the team followed. Funny thing is it seemed everyone was on board with that plan BUT Shaq. He played pretty well in that game.