Let's evaluate Rondo - I think he's overrated - Prove me wrong

[z4ckdabeast]

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He's still one of the better defenders at his position, so that's good enough

The PG position isn't exactly filled with lockdown defenders.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Either way, he's still at least an average defender.

In my eyes he's an exceptional defender.

Point being he's not going to hurt you in the long run defensively. He's more going to help with his long arms and tireless motor.

[z4ckdabeast]

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He's terrific at forcing turnovers and hustle, he just isn't a great on ball defender.

[kingkilla56]

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Im a rondo semi-fan but he's definitely overrated. A superstar is a guy who can dominate on a team all on his own. Hes an accessory to a superstar team right now. He reminds me of Mo Williams. He will never do it without stars around him. If peirce allen and garnett are out of the line up and he consistently shows what he does now, i'll fully jump on the bandwagon.

[AlexBrady]

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He's terrific at forcing turnovers and hustle, he just isn't a great on ball defender.

The point guard position is easily the toughest position to defend. Thats why you don't see many good defenders there. Heck, the best defender at the point guard position is Royal Ivey and he hardly ever plays.

Rondo has the long arms and anticipation you need at the point position. He would do well to defend more fundamentally than to try and poke everyones dribble away. He is also a very good rebounder (the last act of defense).

The supporting cast argument is simply a lame excuse. He is where he is..... deal with it.

[KG]

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The point guard position is easily the toughest position to defend. Thats why you don't see many good defenders there. Heck, the best defender at the point guard position is Royal Ivey and he hardly ever plays.

Rondo has the long arms and anticipation you need at the point position. He would do well to defend more fundamentally than to try and poke everyones dribble away. He is also a very good rebounder (the last act of defense).

The supporting cast argument is simply a lame excuse. He is where he is..... deal with it.

It really is. If your PG gets broken down the rest of the defense suffers big time. Been happening for years with my Wiz and Gil.

[X*Cell]

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It really is. If your PG gets broken down the rest of the defense suffers big time. Been happening for years with my Wiz and Gil.

The Spurs suffer now with no Bowen to protect Parker. I think with great team defense, you can hide your poor defensive Point Guard... but you need GREAT team defense (emphasis on "need" & "great").

[Tha_Kid]

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I think Ball Don't Lie got it right, at least the top 10

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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Rondo may not be an exceptional on-ball defender, but picking people's pockets and playing the passing lanes extremely well has to count for something.

[dossier]

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Rondo may not be an exceptional on-ball defender, but picking people's pockets and playing the passing lanes extremely well has to count for something.

It does if your Chris Paul apparently. Rondo is a very active on ball defender(which is more than you can say about 90% if the league) and is very clever.

Watching him play he doesn't use too much athleticism unless he needs to(Brandon Roy). If he gets a jumpshot I can see him battling it out for best pg in the league.

Anyone else notice how Ty Lawson is playing D against every body on Tha_Kids list?

[z4ckdabeast]

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I think Ball Don't Lie got it right, at least the top 10

Baron Davis is a better point guard than Jason Kidd? Really?

[Po Pimp]

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It does if your Chris Paul apparently. Rondo is a very active on ball defender(which is more than you can say about 90% if the league) and is very clever.

Watching him play he doesn't use too much athleticism unless he needs to(Brandon Roy). If he gets a jumpshot I can see him battling it out for best pg in the league.

Anyone else notice how Ty Lawson is playing D against every body on Tha_Kids list?

Yep, and now that they are counting down the Shooting Guards, Ty Lawson has been replaced by OJ Mayo

[beastwork]

Re: Let's evaluate Rondo - I think he's overrated - Prove me wrong

AlexBrady 08:13 AM 08-18-2010

The supporting cast argument is simply a lame excuse. He is where he is..... deal with it

how do you expect to present any argument that's actually worth a darn if are going to pick and choose which variables matter? The fact of the matter is that any point guard would look less than on a terrible team.

John Stockton wouldn't have had all those assists without the Mailman. The difference is that John put in good work over the course of an entire NBA career. Not just a couple good seasons. Oh John could score as well, couldn't play off the guy.

[AlexBrady]

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how do you expect to present any argument that's actually worth a darn if are going to pick and choose which variables matter? The fact of the matter is that any point guard would look less than on a terrible team.

John Stockton wouldn't have had all those assists without the Mailman. The difference is that John put in good work over the course of an entire NBA career. Not just a couple good seasons. Oh John could score as well, couldn't play off the guy.

Greatness is always relative to the supporting cast, offensive system, head coach, playing era, ect. Of course Stockton is better than Rondo. Heck, he hardly had any holes in his game. Rondo is still aproaching the summit though.

[beastwork]

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I wasn't really trying to compare Stockton to Rondo, I think we all can agree Stockton appears to be the better player at this point in Rondo's career.

I just wanted to emphasize that you have to take a player's surroundings in account when you measure him against his peers. CP3's talent shines bright even while playing on a terrible team. I wonder how bright Rondo would shine if he played in New Orleans.