Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

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  • ParisB
    MVP
    • Jan 2010
    • 1699

    #31
    Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

    The league has shifted to focus on the point guard position and they have been taking advantage (and putting up the numbers to back it up), but i don't think we REALLY have 20 all-star point guard studs like it seems we do.

    I still think D-Will, CP3, and Nash are far and above the best point guards in the NBA, even if some guys are close statistically.

    Rondo is horrendous in a half court set. If he's not fast breaking and playing park style, he's ineffective. It's amazing how people consider him an elite point guard when he's completely useless in half court offense. You don't even need to guard him, lol. He gets boards because it's hard to box him out when you're not defending him..besides, Boston isn't a good rebounding team anyway so he's able to snatch them.

    Put it this way, if Dwill was on Boston, the Lakers would be in trouble and would have to focus a lot of their D on him. If you imagine them in different scenarios, I think you have to take into consideration their weaknesses. Rondo would be completely ineffective if he was on the Lakers triangle offense. Can't spot up, can't make free throws. Rose wouldn't have the green light every single possession either and doesn't have the IQ of a dwill or nash.
    Last edited by ParisB; 06-29-2010, 10:18 PM.

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    • RayAllen20
      MVP
      • Jun 2009
      • 1825

      #32
      Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

      Ricky Rubio!!!
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      • Brankles
        Banned
        • May 2003
        • 5113

        #33
        Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

        Originally posted by ParisB
        The league has shifted to focus on the point guard position and they have been taking advantage (and putting up the numbers to back it up), but i don't think we REALLY have 20 all-star point guard studs like it seems we do.

        I still think D-Will, CP3, and Nash are far and above the best point guards in the NBA, even if some guys are close statistically.

        Rondo is horrendous in a half court set. If he's not fast breaking and playing park style, he's ineffective. It's amazing how people consider him an elite point guard when he's completely useless in half court offense. You don't even need to guard him, lol. He gets boards because it's hard to box him out when you're not defending him..besides, Boston isn't a good rebounding team anyway so he's able to snatch them.

        Put it this way, if Dwill was on Boston, the Lakers would be in trouble and would have to focus a lot of their D on him. If you imagine them in different scenarios, I think you have to take into consideration their weaknesses. Rondo would be completely ineffective if he was on the Lakers triangle offense. Can't spot up, can't make free throws. Rose wouldn't have the green light every single possession either and doesn't have the IQ of a dwill or nash.
        I agree with that.

        Put Deron/Nash/CP3 in any system on any team in the league and they would flourish. Deron and CP3 even moreso because they can play defense to go along with double digit assists and almost 20 ppg

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        • AlexBrady
          MVP
          • Jul 2008
          • 3341

          #34
          Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

          Chris Paul has not shown the ability to run a complex offense (Utah for example). New Orleans has an extremely unbalanced offense and its one reason why they are so mediocre. They like to run 30 high screen/rolls a game and yes he is good at it. However his ball dominance makes his other teammates spectators. No back door cuts, early attacks, weak side action, no creativity.

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          • Bornindamecca
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            • Jul 2007
            • 10919

            #35
            Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

            Originally posted by AlexBrady
            Chris Paul has not shown the ability to run a complex offense (Utah for example). New Orleans has an extremely unbalanced offense and its one reason why they are so mediocre. They like to run 30 high screen/rolls a game and yes he is good at it. However his ball dominance makes his other teammates spectators. No back door cuts, early attacks, weak side action, no creativity.
            Chris has not shown poor instincts or PG skills in any scenario at any point in his documented basketball career. He has always been able to do what his coaches ask him too, and execute it in stellar fashion.
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            • JBH3
              Marvel's Finest
              • Jan 2007
              • 13506

              #36
              Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

              Originally posted by ParisB
              The league has shifted to focus on the point guard position and they have been taking advantage (and putting up the numbers to back it up), but i don't think we REALLY have 20 all-star point guard studs like it seems we do.

              I still think D-Will, CP3, and Nash are far and above the best point guards in the NBA, even if some guys are close statistically.

              Rondo is horrendous in a half court set. If he's not fast breaking and playing park style, he's ineffective. It's amazing how people consider him an elite point guard when he's completely useless in half court offense. You don't even need to guard him, lol. He gets boards because it's hard to box him out when you're not defending him..besides, Boston isn't a good rebounding team anyway so he's able to snatch them.

              Put it this way, if Dwill was on Boston, the Lakers would be in trouble and would have to focus a lot of their D on him. If you imagine them in different scenarios, I think you have to take into consideration their weaknesses. Rondo would be completely ineffective if he was on the Lakers triangle offense. Can't spot up, can't make free throws. Rose wouldn't have the green light every single possession either and doesn't have the IQ of a dwill or nash.
              You fail to acknowledge that Rondo is a very capable slasher in a half-court set, and doesn't have to get his picking a team apart from 17".
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              • wwharton
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                • Aug 2002
                • 26949

                #37
                Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

                Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                Chris has not shown poor instincts or PG skills in any scenario at any point in his documented basketball career. He has always been able to do what his coaches ask him too, and execute it in stellar fashion.
                just to add to this, they also haven't been mediocre when he's been healthy. they actually surprised quite a few people with how successful they've been in the West with him controlling the rock.

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                • st0rmb11
                  All Star
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 5167

                  #38
                  Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

                  Originally posted by AlexBrady
                  Chris Paul has not shown the ability to run a complex offense (Utah for example). New Orleans has an extremely unbalanced offense and its one reason why they are so mediocre. They like to run 30 high screen/rolls a game and yes he is good at it. However his ball dominance makes his other teammates spectators. No back door cuts, early attacks, weak side action, no creativity.

                  You hold it against Chris Paul that his offense runs a lot of high screen & rolls? You talk about Utah having a complex offense; screen & rolls are a major part of Sloan's offense. Has been for over 20 years. Same thing with Phoenix. Nash flourishes when they run high screen & rolls.

                  Chris Paul is at his best when he penetrates and creates for his big men or his spot up shooters in the corners. But where Paul really flourishes is in the open court. His ability to manage and control everyone on his team on the break is a huge strength of his.

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                  • iRepOklahoma
                    Pro
                    • May 2006
                    • 687

                    #39
                    Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

                    Jashuan Agosto in about 7 years

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                    • bamalam
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 1407

                      #40
                      Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

                      Originally posted by AlexBrady
                      Chris Paul has not shown the ability to run a complex offense (Utah for example). New Orleans has an extremely unbalanced offense and its one reason why they are so mediocre. They like to run 30 high screen/rolls a game and yes he is good at it. However his ball dominance makes his other teammates spectators. No back door cuts, early attacks, weak side action, no creativity.

                      cp3 best pg in nba when healthy

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                      • da ThRONe
                        Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 8528

                        #41
                        Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

                        Originally posted by iRepOklahoma
                        Jashuan Agosto in about 7 years
                        How old is he now?
                        You looking at the Chair MAN!

                        Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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                        • willIam9387
                          Pro
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 640

                          #42
                          Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

                          Looking at talent, John Wall jumps out, but looking at resume and all-around game to me it's cp3. But I wouldn't be surprised to see John Wall come into the league and turn the wizards around with his defense and speed. I think to get to that elite status he needs to work on his shot and decision-making skills....OH wait I forgot, like everyone does...the best pg just might be Rondo now and in ten years. Rondo rebounds, scores, assists, steals in crunch time situations, when you can put up triple doubles in the playoffs, that's the sign of being elite.

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                          • AlexBrady
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 3341

                            #43
                            Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

                            Originally posted by st0rmb11
                            You hold it against Chris Paul that his offense runs a lot of high screen & rolls? You talk about Utah having a complex offense; screen & rolls are a major part of Sloan's offense. Has been for over 20 years. Same thing with Phoenix. Nash flourishes when they run high screen & rolls.

                            Chris Paul is at his best when he penetrates and creates for his big men or his spot up shooters in the corners. But where Paul really flourishes is in the open court. His ability to manage and control everyone on his team on the break is a huge strength of his.
                            I'm saying it is an extremely simple offense that New Orleans employs. His screen/roll and double screen/roll offense is easier to defend than a multi dimensional attack is. Consider that most defenders simply go under the screen and let CP3 fire away to his hearts content (average shooter by the way).
                            What if a team takes away New Orleans' screens? (Denver in the 09 playoffs) CP3 is simply left to break down his man off the dribble since he can't get into other options in that offense. The Hornets need CP3 to assist or score on almost every posession and consequently his numbers are inflated.

                            The Jazz do run a healthy dose of screen/roll but their offense is much more diverse. Screen/fades, weak side duck ins, post ups (DWill isn't a pip squeak like Paul), weak side curls, seals, fans, fast breaks, ect.

                            The Suns do run alot of high screen/rolls but Nash is a much more dangerous shooter than Paul is. Go under the screen you're dead. Nash runs a deadly fast break and doesn't have to stay in to rebound like Paul does. The Suns also have much more going on off the ball. Cutting, fanning, curling, ect.

                            Even when Paul was healthy his team was perfectly mediocre. Look no further than their shameful performance against the overrated Denver Nuggets in the 09 playoffs.
                            Last edited by AlexBrady; 07-01-2010, 08:53 AM.

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                            • KG
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                              • Sep 2005
                              • 17583

                              #44
                              Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

                              A lot of those things you mentioned AB are on the coach and his offensive philosophy. In the fast break game Paul is still more dangerous than Nash because he is a better finisher. CP3 is a better shooter than you give him credit for too. 08-09 (last full season) he was 50% from the field, 36% from 3, and over 85% from the line. Not a bad true shooting %.
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                              • AlexBrady
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 3341

                                #45
                                Re: Who Will Be The Best POINT GUARD In The Next 5-10 Years?

                                Originally posted by kgx2thez
                                A lot of those things you mentioned AB are on the coach and his offensive philosophy. In the fast break game Paul is still more dangerous than Nash because he is a better finisher. CP3 is a better shooter than you give him credit for too. 08-09 (last full season) he was 50% from the field, 36% from 3, and over 85% from the line. Not a bad true shooting %.
                                I agree completely. Yeah, he is a better finisher than Nash is (but Deron Williams is a dominant finisher). His shooting mechanics are too wristy and he leans backwards when he shoots.

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