Chris Bosh is not a superstar

[ffaacc03]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

lol, I was watching a Raptor game vs the Jazz and their commentators said they'd take Boozer over Bosh.

I was watching a Suns vs LA game and the LA commentators said that they would take Fisher over Nash ... lmao ...

On the other hand, I believe that most of us have different meanings to that word ... I mean, TO ME, a superstar is a player with multiple all star appareances that consistently produces and is the most valuable player for his team ... an all star player is someone like Horford, who rightfully made it to the all star game and put good stats ... a franchise type player, instead, is an invaluable player that any team in the league would want him, someone who can make their team better, someone who while with a few nitpicks here and there, you would only trade for another franchise type player (or a TPE ), a product that can increase the team earning$ and status by his sole presence) ...

... having said that, a few q´s:

- is C. Paul a Superstar or a franchise type player ?
- how about S. Nash ?
- are D. Rose and T. Evans "scrubs" as they play on borderline bad teams (the best of them just won 41) ?
- how about D. Wilkins a few years back, was he a superstar or a franchise type player ?

[The15thunter]

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I was watching a Suns vs LA game and the LA commentators said that they would take Fisher over Nash ... lmao ...

On the other hand, I believe that most of us have different meanings to that word ... I mean, TO ME, a superstar is a player with multiple all star appareances that consistently produces and is the most valuable player for his team ... an all star player is someone like Horford, who rightfully made it to the all star game and put good stats ... a franchise type player, instead, is an invaluable player that any team in the league would want him, someone who can make their team better, someone who while with a few nitpicks here and there, you would only trade for another franchise type player (or a TPE ), a product that can increase the team earning$ and status by his sole presence) ...

... having said that, a few q´s:

- is C. Paul a Superstar or a franchise type player ?
- how about S. Nash ?
- are D. Rose and T. Evans "scrubs" as they play on borderline bad teams (the best of them just won 41) ?
- how about D. Wilkins a few years back, was he a superstar or a franchise type player ?

do you want us to judge them using our own criteria or yours?

[ffaacc03]

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do you want us to judge them using our own criteria or yours?

yours but indicating why pick one over the other ... so that way we may determine if, as stated, there are different ciriterias and how different are them.

[wwharton]

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do you want us to judge them using our own criteria or yours?

And honestly I think you need to (he needs to) adjust the criteria a bit because of they need to be the most valuable player on their team then over the years that'd cut out the likes of Scottie Pippen, Magic at a point, Kareem at a point, Kobe at a point, either Lebron or Wade next year, etc.

[ffaacc03]

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And honestly I think you need to (he needs to) adjust the criteria a bit because of they need to be the most valuable player on their team then over the years that'd cut out the likes of Scottie Pippen, Magic at a point, Kareem at a point, Kobe at a point, either Lebron or Wade next year, etc.

A players career goes trough different phases, so has to be the criteria ... do I believe Kobe was an allstar pre Shaq ? no ... do I believe he was a superstar with Shaq ? No, not until that last year together ... was Pippen a Superstar ? yes in 1994-96, when MJ was out and even when he came back and they lost in playoffs ... and that also is part of my criteria ... player may be hall of fames but they dont neccesarily have to be franchise type players ... if so, there wouldnt be so many of them ... at least, they would be fewer.

[The15thunter]

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I was watching a Suns vs LA game and the LA commentators said that they would take Fisher over Nash ... lmao ...

On the other hand, I believe that most of us have different meanings to that word ... I mean, TO ME, a superstar is a player with multiple all star appareances that consistently produces and is the most valuable player for his team ... an all star player is someone like Horford, who rightfully made it to the all star game and put good stats ... a franchise type player, instead, is an invaluable player that any team in the league would want him, someone who can make their team better, someone who while with a few nitpicks here and there, you would only trade for another franchise type player (or a TPE ), a product that can increase the team earning$ and status by his sole presence) ...

... having said that, a few q´s:

- is C. Paul a Superstar or a franchise type player ?
- how about S. Nash ?
- are D. Rose and T. Evans "scrubs" as they play on borderline bad teams (the best of them just won 41) ?
- how about D. Wilkins a few years back, was he a superstar or a franchise type player ?

chris paul is a franchise point guard. while i still consider him a notch below some other players (kobe, lebron, wade, howard, melo, durant), i think he is a player you can build a team around with him being the focal point and obvious best player. he is a winner, has no holes in his game, and has the chops to lead a team.

steve nash is an elite superstar point guard. i would not want to build a franchise around him because of his defensive liabilities, and because i think it'd be harder to custom-create a team for him than for paul. he's still an elite playmaker, though, which there is always room for.

derrick rose and tyreke evans are both budding all-stars, with rose likely becoming a superstar with franchise potential. i think evans has superstar potential. they both have a lot more development to do before we get a firm grasp on them.

dominique wilkins was a superstar, didn't have the chops to be a franchise guy because he cared about scoring and his stats more than anything else. the story on him goes that if, at any time, you ask him how many points he had, he'd be able to tell you and he'd tell you how many he would have if the refs had made certain calls.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I was watching a Suns vs LA game and the LA commentators said that they would take Fisher over Nash ... lmao ...

I highly doubt that occurred.

[Vince]

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Wouldn't put anything past Stu Lantz.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Wouldn't put anything past Stu Lantz.

As dumb as he gets sometimes he usually has nothing but praise for the opposition's best players.

Really he only gets out of hand when he talks about Kobe, but pretty much every commentator does the same.

I have watched nearly every game for the past several years and I have never once heard any of the broadcast team say "I'd rather have Player X than Player Z".

[ILLSmak]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

Semantics...

A superstar can win a game by himself. How many times has Chris Bosh done that?

It's not like Wade is gonna be getting 30, Bron 30, and Bosh 25... Bosh is not going to have to do much except finish, though, and I think he can do that pretty well. Either make the little J or dunk it. I can't believe with Bron and Wade they are going to be running sets for Bosh.

Bosh is like Ray Allen on the Celtics (except Ray was arguably, even at his age in 08, more of an impact player.) He needs to step up and do his, but the two true superstars were Pierce and KG. Big Three just sounds better.

-Smak

[rangerrick012]

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Pau didn't win squat in the NBA until he joined Kobe though. Not even one playoff game.

Pau did manage to lead Memphis to the playoffs 3 times and a 50 win season, with not much help (J-Will, Battier, Mike Miller). Pau did more for Memphis than Bosh did for Toronto.

[AlexBrady]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

Semantics...

A superstar can win a game by himself. How many times has Chris Bosh done that?

It's not like Wade is gonna be getting 30, Bron 30, and Bosh 25... Bosh is not going to have to do much except finish, though, and I think he can do that pretty well. Either make the little J or dunk it. I can't believe with Bron and Wade they are going to be running sets for Bosh.

Bosh is like Ray Allen on the Celtics (except Ray was arguably, even at his age in 08, more of an impact player.) He needs to step up and do his, but the two true superstars were Pierce and KG. Big Three just sounds better.

-Smak

Allen was definitely more of an impact player in 08. In truth, it was Allen and Pierce that were the true stars of that team. These two would make the clutch buckets and carry their team to victory. Bosh will not be expected to carry the load in the clutch like Allen had to (due to Garnett's choke artistry).

Garnett is one of the best role players in the history of the game. Unfortunately, he is a choke artist and cannot be the featured player on any team. He fooled the good fans in Minnesota into thinking he was a franchise player.

[jeebs9]

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Pau did manage to lead Memphis to the playoffs 3 times and a 50 win season, with not much help (J-Will, Battier, Mike Miller). Pau did more for Memphis than Bosh did for Toronto.

Didn't the Raps go to the playoffs 2 times with Bosh....lol People forget... thats a bad point to bring up...lol

Like I said Bosh is in the same mold as Gasol was when he got traded to the Lakers. Yes they might be a little different (game wise). But they basically have the same shell.

[mKoz26]

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Allen was definitely more of an impact player in 08. In truth, it was Allen and Pierce that were the true stars of that team. These two would make the clutch buckets and carry their team to victory. Bosh will not be expected to carry the load in the clutch like Allen had to (due to Garnett's choke artistry).

Garnett is one of the best role players in the history of the game. Unfortunately, he is a choke artist and cannot be the featured player on any team. He fooled the good fans in Minnesota into thinking he was a franchise player.

Really? How did you come to that conclusion?

[PrettyT11]

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dominique wilkins was a superstar, didn't have the chops to be a franchise guy because he cared about scoring and his stats more than anything else. the story on him goes that if, at any time, you ask him how many points he had, he'd be able to tell you and he'd tell you how many he would have if the refs had made certain calls.

Dominique was without question a superstar and a franchise player. He just had the misfortune to go up against some historic teams. He had some great playoff battles with Larry Bird and thier game 7 battle in 88 will be talked about forever(Nique put up 47 on Bird). He carried his average at best supporting cast to the playoffs almost every year and just happened to lose to the likes of thos 80's Celtics, the back to back Pistions, and the Bulls. There is no shame in losing to those teams. Especially when thier star is a better player than he was and those guys help was far better than what Nique had. He only had another all star on his team twice. Doc Rivers one year and a 34 year old Moses Molone another. Compare that to Bird and Thomas help and it's not even close. Those guys had Hall of Fame teammates let alone all stars.

Yes Nique's defense wasn't that great but his role was to get buckets. If he didn't score chances are they wouldn't win. He had to carry them with his scoring and he did that very well as well as being a solid rebounder. They had multiple 50 win seasons again going up against the likes of Jordan, Bird, and Thomas. He was a lights out scorer during the NBA's golden age and would easily put up 30 plus a night in todays game.

Lastly if you consider guys like Melo, Yao, T-Mac (Orlando and maybe first couple of Houston years), and Iverson (obviously not now When he was in Philly) superstar or franchise players then Nique was without question. Out of that group only Iverson had more team success (one finals run) and only Iverson had more individual accolades. Melo and Mac have never been out of the first round and Yao has only done it once.