Video:Kobe vs Lebron 1 on 1

[NovaStar]

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well I see you're comparing Kobe with Jordan. But yeah I would say he could.

Really both of the matchups would be decided who had the ball first and how they were

I am not comparing Kobe with Jordan. I am comparing Jordan to what was said about lebron. It was indicated that he (lebron) is physically superior to kobe, well he would also be physically superior to Jordan but I don't see lebron ever beating Jordan in his prime in a 1on1 game. Has nothing to do with physical superiority, it has everything to do with the type of player Jordan was. I think Kobe is that same kind of player (and he is bigger than Jordan was, at least taller) that is why I say kobe would beat lebron.

I agree with you though on who got the ball first, if 3's count, if it is make it take etc... those things would definitely play a factor.

[da ThRONe]

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First of all, LeBron became a free agent because he signed a deal so that he could leave and join up with Wade and Bosh. And no, MJ didn't have a 10 year deal as a rookie. He signed an extension the season before Pippen finally broke out and 2 or 3 years before he won his first championship.

http://www.mccsc.edu/~jcmslib/mlk/jordan/biography.htm

And to BlueNGold, the reason the Cavs are now only an 8 seed if anything in the East is because they don't have their go-to star anymore. I mean, if you take Steve Nash off the Suns back when they still had Amare, I highly doubt they'd be a playoff team either. The team was completely built around LeBron, so obviously they're going to be in for a rough year since he deserted them.

This is the weakest arguement ever. You dont built around a player by adding a bunch of role players. You build around a player by adding other stars. Gasol isnt just a role player, neither are players like KG and Ray Allen or Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. When has a superstar surrounded by role players won the NBA Finals?

[dossier]

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I am not comparing Kobe with Jordan. I am comparing Jordan to what was said about lebron. It was indicated that he (lebron) is physically superior to kobe, well he would also be physically superior to Jordan but I don't see lebron ever beating Jordan in his prime in a 1on1 game. Has nothing to do with physical superiority, it has everything to do with the type of player Jordan was. I think Kobe is that same kind of player (and he is bigger than Jordan was, at least taller) that is why I say kobe would beat lebron.

I agree with you though on who got the ball first, if 3's count, if it is make it take etc... those things would definitely play a factor.

yeah, i mean in all honesty, if anyone is like jordan it's kobe. w/e

Yes Jordan had more skill but LeBron is no slouch. Again theres no definite way to answer this but I could say that LeBron in his prime, which he isn't close to yet, would be jordan more times than not. I mean james can somewhat guard jordan and kobe, but how do those two guard someone who can run and jump over them while still being extremely talented.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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This is the weakest arguement ever. You dont built around a player by adding a bunch of role players. You build around a player by adding other stars. Gasol isnt just a role player, neither are players like KG and Ray Allen or Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. When has a superstar surrounded by role players won the NBA Finals?

You consider Ginobli and Parker to be stars? They're good players. So are Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams.

MJ had Pippen and after that it was just a bunch of role players.

I don't blame LeBron for not winning a championship with the team he had in Cleveland, I'm just saying obviously that team is going to be in for a rough year when they go from having a bunch of guys that compliment LeBron to a bunch of guys trying to be heroes that just aren't at the superstar level.

[dossier]

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This is the weakest arguement ever. You dont built around a player by adding a bunch of role players. You build around a player by adding other stars. Gasol isnt just a role player, neither are players like KG and Ray Allen or Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. When has a superstar surrounded by role players won the NBA Finals?

Even though you do need stars, they do need to be complimentary, which is why the lakers are so good, pau is nearly perfect for the triangle. You can't just add a bunch of stars and expect results (2004 lakers)

[NINJAK2]

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First of all, LeBron became a free agent because he signed a deal so that he could leave and join up with Wade and Bosh. And no, MJ didn't have a 10 year deal as a rookie. He signed an extension the season before Pippen finally broke out and 2 or 3 years before he won his first championship.

http://www.mccsc.edu/~jcmslib/mlk/jordan/biography.htm

And to BlueNGold, the reason the Cavs are now only an 8 seed if anything in the East is because they don't have their go-to star anymore. I mean, if you take Steve Nash off the Suns back when they still had Amare, I highly doubt they'd be a playoff team either. The team was completely built around LeBron, so obviously they're going to be in for a rough year since he deserted them.

Are you Maverick Carter now..lol???You know for a fact that is why he signed the extension? Thanks for the clarification on MJ's contract YTG..my bad man.

NovaStar..You make good points as well. I think your interpretation of the context of what MJ meant when he said the climate is different makes more sense. Peace..

[da ThRONe]

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You consider Ginobli and Parker to be stars? They're good players. So are Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams.

MJ had Pippen and after that it was just a bunch of role players.

I don't blame LeBron for not winning a championship with the team he had in Cleveland, I'm just saying obviously that team is going to be in for a rough year when they go from having a bunch of guys that compliment LeBron to a bunch of guys trying to be heroes that just aren't at the superstar level.

As far as Ginobili and Parker at the time they were. Ginobili probably can still carry the star tag. I would much rather be surrounded by Manu and Tony then Antwan and Mo thats not even close.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Are you Maverick Carter now..lol???You know for a fact that is why he signed the extension? Thanks for the clarification on MJ's contract YTG..

Hasn't Lebron and Bosh and them acknowledged that they had this in mind when they signed their extensions before but didn't think it would actually work?

[da ThRONe]

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Even though you do need stars, they do need to be complimentary, which is why the lakers are so good, pau is nearly perfect for the triangle. You can't just add a bunch of stars and expect results (2004 lakers)

I agree but my point is you cant just surround a player (even a G.O.A.T caliber player) with a bunch of role players an expect a title. When has this happened? The last time that formula even got a team to a Finals apperance before LeBron's Cavs was Iverson's 6ers.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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As far as Ginobili and Parker at the time they were. Ginobili probably can still carry the star tag. I would much rather be surrounded by Manu and Tony then Antwan and Mo thats not even close.

It really all depends on the type of team you need. With the offense that they had in Cleveland, Parker really wouldn't have done much good because he's best when the ball is in his hands whereas the Cavs wanted the ball in Lebron's hands. Ginobli's kind of the same way but he could work much better with taking what's given rather than having to create everything on his own. Jamison wasn't perfect, but he was a very good fit in that offense, and so was Mo Williams.

And when Duncan won his first championship without David Robinson, Parker and Ginobli were hardly stars. Duncan led the team in points, rebounds, and assists in the post-season. Ginobli averaged around 9 points a game, and Parker averaged 14 and 3 or 15 and 4 or something like that. No stars; just a bunch of guys that fit in well with Duncan.

[da ThRONe]

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It really all depends on the type of team you need. With the offense that they had in Cleveland, Parker really wouldn't have done much good because he's best when the ball is in his hands whereas the Cavs wanted the ball in Lebron's hands. Ginobli's kind of the same way but he could work much better with taking what's given rather than having to create everything on his own. Jamison wasn't perfect, but he was a very good fit in that offense, and so was Mo Williams.

And when Duncan won his first championship without David Robinson, Parker and Ginobli were hardly stars. Duncan led the team in points, rebounds, and assists in the post-season. Ginobli averaged around 9 points a game, and Parker averaged 14 and 3 or 15 and 4 or something like that. No stars; just a bunch of guys that fit in well with Duncan.

Mo completely disappeared in the playoff so that for me eliminates him immediately. At the end of the day you need players who play well consistently in the playoffs to take pressure off "the guy". Dossier already brought up the fact that those stars need to compliment your superstar ,but they still need to be stars at important times.

[dossier]

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I agree but my point is you cant just surround a player (even a G.O.A.T caliber player) with a bunch of role players an expect a title. When has this happened? The last time that formula even got a team to a Finals apperance before LeBron's Cavs was Iverson's 6ers.

wasn't it 2004 pistons?

[da ThRONe]

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wasn't it 2004 pistons?

Piston's were constructed completely different. They had a team full of stars with no superstar. What I'm saying is you cant 1 superstar and surround him with roleplayers and expect a title.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Mo completely disappeared in the playoff so that for me eliminates him immediately. At the end of the day you need players who play well consistently in the playoffs to take pressure off "the guy". Dossier already brought up the fact that those stars need to compliment your superstar ,but they still need to be stars at important times.

Did you watch the way LeBron folded in the playoffs last year? I give credit to Mo for actually trying in the elimination game.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Piston's were constructed completely different. They had a team full of stars with no superstar. What I'm saying is you cant 1 superstar and surround him with roleplayers and expect a title.

How was this a team full of stars at all? They had Chauncey who was pretty good at the time, Rip who was a good mid-range shooter, Prince who was a good defender and solid at everything else, Rasheed who was solid, and Wallace who was a good defender and rebounder. None of them were stars.