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  • ffff186
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    • Nov 2010
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    #1

    Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

    Everyone is hating on Lebron because he as the best player in the game is playing with 2nd or 3rd best in D-Wade. Bosh who is a top 12 player. However, they seem to forget that most dynasties included one top 3 player and one top ten player at least.

    Example
    Shaq and Kobe of the 2000's on Lakers were two of the top three players along with Duncan. Magic played with Kareem and Worthy. Bird played with Kevin McHale, Robert Parish. So I guess if Lebron rings in Miami is tainted these guysrings are tainted as well.
  • Bellsprout
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    • Oct 2009
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    #2
    Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

    Wrong section, dude.

    Should've posted it here.
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    • Chrisksaint
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      • Apr 2010
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      #3
      Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

      Regarding the lakers early '00 teams, Shaq was a pretty likeable guy at the time not to mention Kobe was just really gaining popularity because of Shaq.
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      • BlueNGold
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        • Aug 2009
        • 21817

        #4
        Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

        *sigh*

        It has nothing to do with the talent level. It has everything to do with HOW this Heat team was formed. They basically admitted they had the whole thing pre-planned for years.

        That is why (most) people hate the Heat.
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        • Altimus
          Chelsea, Assemble!
          • Nov 2004
          • 27283

          #5
          Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

          As mentioned, those teams were formed completely different. When Shaq came to LAL, Kobe was no one but a mid round acquisition from Charlotte. Obviously he had promise but who knew he would be the Kobe we have today.

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          • TRiCKY_J
            Banned
            • Oct 2009
            • 86

            #6
            Lebron also went out the wrong way by have a one hour ESPN special for where he was gonba go. It was disrespectful to not only the cavs and their fans but his hometown

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            • VDusen04
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2003
              • 13034

              #7
              Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

              There are way too many additional factors for the Heat situation to be comparable to any of the others mentioned, at least in my case.

              My personal distaste for the Heat largely has to do with:
              -Superstars leaving their established teams to knowingly and willingly attempt to stack a super squad together (which would mirror Magic Johnson and Larry Bird signing with Chicago in '86 more than a team featuring Shaq that developed a young Kobester into a monster).

              -LeBron leaving Cleveland. It was his right, but it doesn't make it right for me. I was a big fan of watching LeBron steamrolling the entire league on his own terms with his own team in his own city by his own means. By signing with the Super Team, he gave all my favorite factors of his game away. The fact that he was taking a franchise with no chance and holding them amongst the NBA's elite was empowering, intense, and relieving. Some things in sports just seem right. LeBron in Cleveland was right.

              -The thought that these guys all seemed to feel that by combining the best collection in talent through essentially "stacking", their resulting championship would mean just the same as a team that was built through normal means. The essence of sport to me is emerging as a champion throughout the trials and tribulations of true competition. The idea of winning through instead just picking your own team of players that are all vastly superior to all the competition seems like a sham.

              At this point, I'm glad to see that Miami will not finish the season undefeated. They appear mortal, but I fear they will develop into something sick by the time the playoffs roll around. And I'll always be yearning for the days when LeBron was in Cleveland, even if it meant he was dismantling my Pistons.
              Last edited by VDusen04; 11-10-2010, 12:09 PM.

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              • Tyrant8RDFL
                MVP
                • Feb 2004
                • 3563

                #8
                Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

                Originally posted by ffff186
                Everyone is hating on Lebron because he as the best player in the game is playing with 2nd or 3rd best in D-Wade. Bosh who is a top 12 player. However, they seem to forget that most dynasties included one top 3 player and one top ten player at least.

                Example
                Shaq and Kobe of the 2000's on Lakers were two of the top three players along with Duncan. Magic played with Kareem and Worthy. Bird played with Kevin McHale, Robert Parish. So I guess if Lebron rings in Miami is tainted these guysrings are tainted as well.
                This is where I have to mention the following. DO you really think Boston with just McHale, and Parrish would have been a great team with out Bird? My point is those player were average and shined so much more simply because of what Bird brought to the table.

                Jordan had Pippen and Pippen was solid, but the rest of that roster was nothing but average players that shined only because of Jordan. All they had to do was not turn the ball over, give it to mike , and make the open shot when the ball was passed to them.
                I also have to give prop to H.Grant, and D.Rodman, but simply without Jordan they win noting at all.

                Isiah Thomas was a Superstar point guard, but he also only had solid fundamental basketball players.

                One thing these guys had in common is that they brought the best out of their team, and won NBA rings, and would have never considered joining forces to get that ring. They were simply determine to beat the best to get that ring, and raise the level of play of their team mates to achieve that goal.

                Now with the Lakers with Magic,Worthy and Jabbar. Jabbar came via trade, but Magic and Worthy came via the draft, and together they created a monster squad, but make no mistake without Magic that does not happen. He brought the best out of the team.

                The problem with what Lebron did was he joined another superstar, and many wanted to see him battle the other superstars. They wanted to see those battles amongst the best.

                Lebron yes of course needs help , but get all-stars and solid role players, and let us see you lead a team to glory, and do it by beating the best.

                He picks any other team than the Heat , and Lebron get absolutely no beef about leaving the Cavs, except hearing it from Cavs fans, but the rest of the league would not have jumped all over him like they did. They would have not questioned his heart ,and competitiveness.

                Joining Wade and now he is considered a whimp. Looking for the easy route to a NBA ring.

                Lets hope for his sake this plan works. Also note Bosh is going to be considered the most over paid , and over rated player in the NBA.

                They need muscle and a strong rebounder down low, not a finesse player.
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                • Tyrant8RDFL
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 3563

                  #9
                  Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

                  Originally posted by VDusen04
                  There are way too many additional factors for the Heat situation to be comparable to any of the others mentioned, at least in my case.

                  My personal distaste for the Heat largely has to do with:
                  -Superstars leaving their established teams to knowingly and willingly attempt to stack a super squad together (which would mirror Magic Johnson and Larry Bird signing with Chicago in '86 more than a team featuring Shaq that developed a young Kobester into a monster).

                  -LeBron leaving Cleveland. It was his right, but it doesn't make it right for me. I was a big fan of watching LeBron steamrolling the entire league on his own terms with his own team in his own city by his own means. By signing with the Super Team, he gave all my favorite factors of his game away. The fact that he was taking a franchise with no chance and holding them amongst the NBA's elite was empowering, intense, and relieving. Some things in sports just seem right. LeBron in Cleveland was right.

                  -The thought that these guys all seemed to feel that by combining the best collection in talent through essentially "stacking", their resulting championship would mean just the same as a team who was built through normal means. The essence of sport to me is emerging as a champion throughout the trials and tribulations of true competition. The idea of winning through instead just picking your own team of players that are all vastly superior to all the competition seems like sham.

                  At this point, I'm glad to see that Miami will not finish the season undefeated. They appear mortal, but I fear they will develop into something sick by the time the playoffs roll around. And I'll always be yearning for the days when LeBron was in Cleveland, even if it meant he was dismantling my Pistons.
                  Love your post nice job

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                  • PGaither84
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 4393

                    #10
                    Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

                    Originally posted by Altimus
                    As mentioned, those teams were formed completely different. When Shaq came to LAL, Kobe was no one but a mid round acquisition from Charlotte. Obviously he had promise but who knew he would be the Kobe we have today.
                    When you draft someone out of High School, you expect some level of greatness. Of course you don't "know" he was going to be that great, and you can't put those kinds of expectations on someone, but it wsn't a big shock that Kobe turned out to be amazing. It was the same kind of expectations put on Lebron and Carmello when they came out.

                    Keep in mind, I don't even follow basketball and I knew about these names over the years before they became stars because of the hype.
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                    • Altimus
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                      • Nov 2004
                      • 27283

                      #11
                      Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

                      Originally posted by PGaither84
                      When you draft someone out of High School, you expect some level of greatness. Of course you don't "know" he was going to be that great, and you can't put those kinds of expectations on someone, but it wsn't a big shock that Kobe turned out to be amazing. It was the same kind of expectations put on Lebron and Carmello when they came out.

                      Keep in mind, I don't even follow basketball and I knew about these names over the years before they became stars because of the hype.
                      Not a shock but if it was expected then why would Charlotte trade Kobe in the first place for Vlade? Or why was he picked that late? That draft did have some good names in it like AI, Marbury and Walker. But you had guys like Fuller and Potapenko drafted ahead of Kobe.

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                      • rangerrick012
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                        • Jan 2010
                        • 6201

                        #12
                        Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

                        Originally posted by Altimus
                        Not a shock but if it was expected then why would Charlotte trade Kobe in the first place for Vlade? Or why was he picked that late? That draft did have some good names in it like AI, Marbury and Walker. But you had guys like Fuller and Potapenko drafted ahead of Kobe.
                        Yeah, Kobe was definitely not expected to become what he has coming out of HS.

                        When you draft someone out of High School, you expect some level of greatness.
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                        • st0rmb11
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                          #13
                          Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

                          I think the Shaq/Kobe Lakers are a bad example.

                          I will say, I don't remember this much backlash when Barkley got himself traded to Houston to play with Drexler & Olajuwon.

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                          • The GIGGAS
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                            • Mar 2003
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                            #14
                            Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

                            Originally posted by st0rmb11
                            I think the Shaq/Kobe Lakers are a bad example.

                            I will say, I don't remember this much backlash when Barkley got himself traded to Houston to play with Drexler & Olajuwon.
                            Barkley was 12 years into a 16 year career. He was chasing a ring at the end of his career.

                            I would say Barkley is also a bad comparison.
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                            • Vast
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                              • Sep 2003
                              • 4015

                              #15
                              Re: Why didn't people have problems with these teams?

                              Originally posted by Altimus
                              Not a shock but if it was expected then why would Charlotte trade Kobe in the first place for Vlade? Or why was he picked that late? That draft did have some good names in it like AI, Marbury and Walker. But you had guys like Fuller and Potapenko drafted ahead of Kobe.
                              There were some scouts questioning Kobe's skills, but remember he came straight out of highschool and he was a guard. Most if not all guys making the lottery straight out of HS were tall forwards and Centers(Garnett, Kwame Brown) so teams were skeptical.

                              He also demanded the trade. He outright refused to play for Charlotte and only was willing to go to the Lakers.
                              Thinking about it now, I don't know how he was able to pull that off as a rookie out of highschool.
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