The Dwight Howard Thread

[DonkeyJote]

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You serious right now dude? They shopped Dwight but because they haven't traded him means they're flip flopping on whether or not they want to keep him? GTFOH with that nonsense. Far be it for me to defend Orlando's dumb asses in this mess, but they have made it clear from the start that they WANT Dwight there in Orlando, that is the one and only unchanging FACT of this story. It would be stupid of Orlando to not start gauging what other teams are willing to give up for Dwight when dude has made it clear he doesn't want to be there anymore.

I can't believe you seriously allowed youself to hit 'Submit Reply' on that garbage you just typed.

So they want him so bad? How about before the trading deadline, when Dwight "flip flopped" and said he didn't want to be traded after all. He wanted to finish the season and see how far they could go. How did the Magic respond? All of a sudden they strong arm him into waiving with early termination. When he's saying he wanted to be there, they turned around and tried harder than ever to trade him. The Magic can explore their options, but Dwight can't explore his? Please.

Oh, and note that I said the Magic had good reason for exploring their trade options. But that is exactly what Dwight was doing. Exploring his trade offers. And when he decided that the situations he was going to be looking at were less favorable than his current one, he backed off his request. Just like the Magic did when they were exploring theirs.

This is a business. The Magic are going to do what is best for them, Dwight is going to do what is best for him, just like every team and every player are going to do.

[HighRiser32]

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So what i'm gathering by this piece is Dwight wanted to be traded (hated the coach evidently), they shopped him, he is such a valuable player to them the Magic didn't trade ( i know all this)so they ended trade agrrements until a further time. The Magic then threatened a termination of contract (which Magic would pay nothing on their contract even if pakgreece picked him up lol jk) for a waiver of free agency (which they would pay a certain %). They then threatened to send him to a franchise which no one would gain anything (so Dwight said hell no lol). I'm not trying to be a smart *** it just feels better when I write it out, and feel free to correct me where its wrong. I know 2 points are out of order I think. Damn Dwight seems like you can't win for losing.

[Scott812313]

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He flip flopped once. And until there is a source that isn't 1) anonymous, and 2) refuted by another source, I'm not necessarily taking it at face value that he wants out again. I'm also not going to take it at face value that he's fully committed to staying. Orlando's management sucks. If there's anything clear out of it, it's that. And I'm not saying based on personnel moves. I'm saying based on the number of "sources" throughout that team. When have you ever heard this many conflicting stories within an organization? I don't believe a thing that's coming out of there right now.

Here's what we know. Dwight asked for a trade. I agree that that isn't the way to handle it. I believe you should play out your contract. We also know that he changed his mind around the deadline and signed a waiver. That's it. Everything else is speculation. The only sources who haven't been anonymous have been Van Gundy and Smith. And honestly, if the reports of him wanting both of them out were true, why did Smith repeatedly deny it was true, even though he ended up getting canned too?

I'm not saying Dwight is blameless by any means. But management is every bit as much to blame in all this. They've flip flopped just as much, if not more, on whether they want to keep or trade Dwight. But every time something is posted that says Dwight wants out, everybody takes it at face value, but if something refuting it is put out there, it's rubbish. Every single thing that's put out there (especially in this internet age where reporters barely, if at all, check their sources) is a half truth at best.

Otis Smith didn't get canned. He resigned, because he didn't agree with the decision to fire SVG. He wanted no part of an organization held captive by a player. Not to say Smith was a great, or even good GM, but I can't blame him for that.

[DonkeyJote]

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Otis Smith didn't get canned. He resigned, because he didn't agree with the decision to fire SVG. He wanted no part of an organization held captive by a player. Not to say Smith was a great, or even good GM, but I can't blame him for that.

Where did you see that? I searched quite a few articles, and it never made mention of Smith leaving because he didn't agree with the SVG firing. I haven't seen that at all. I imagined it was "mutual" because he resigned before the Magic could fire him.

So what i'm gathering by this piece is Dwight wanted to be traded (hated the coach evidently), they shopped him, he is such a valuable player to them the Magic didn't trade ( i know all this)so they ended trade agrrements until a further time. The Magic then threatened a termination of contract (which Magic would pay nothing on their contract even if pakgreece picked him up lol jk) for a waiver of free agency (which they would pay a certain %). They then threatened to send him to a franchise which no one would gain anything (so Dwight said hell no lol). I'm not trying to be a smart *** it just feels better when I write it out, and feel free to correct me where its wrong. I know 2 points are out of order I think. Damn Dwight seems like you can't win for losing.

They never threatened termination of his contract (they can't do that). They did threaten to trade him after he had taken back his trade request if he didn't waive the early termination clause in his contract (essentially a player option for the last year of his deal). Dwight actually asked to not be traded before all this, and the most likely trade partner at the deadline was New Jersey, who was Dwight's original preferred choice.

[KSOR24]

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I recently read somewhere that Dwight's heart is in Orlando and he wants to stay. I'll take Bynum's laziness and carelessness over Dwight's inability to make up his mind any day because right now he is just being difficult. And his back problems might take a toll on his game so I'm interested to see if he ends up in Brooklyn, LA, or he just plays out another season in Orlando.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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They shopped him before the season when he asked for a trade, and then decided against it. They did it again at the trading deadline, and decided against it. And they're shopping him again now. The deals aren't going to get any better. In fact, their offer from the Nets isn't going to be as good, since they traded that pick away. They haven't been able to decide if they want to trade him and get picks, or roll the dice and bank on him not wanting to be the bad guy that leaves the team that drafted him. I'm not saying the team doesn't have perfectly good reasons for having a change of heart so many times. But it seems extremely lopsided to crucify Dwight and not the team, as they could have ended all this at any time by trading him.

Let me ask you this: What was the reason they were "shopping him around"? Was it because they didn't want him no anymore and just wanted to get rid of him completely? Was it because he was a bad player and not any good? Was there anything in particular that made them say, "You know what, WE(Magic)don't want you anymore so we're trading you and if you don't like it then tough ****".

Why were they "shopping him around"?

[DonkeyJote]

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Let me ask you this: What was the reason they were "shopping him around"? Was it because they didn't want him no anymore and just wanted to get rid of him completely? Was it because he was a bad player and not any good? Was there anything in particular that made them say, "You know what, WE(Magic)don't want you anymore so we're trading you and if you don't like it then tough ****".

Why were they "shopping him around"?

The shopped him around because they didn't want to take the gamble on him leaving and them getting nothing back for him.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Ok my next question is why didn't they just trade him then? Do the Magic WANT to keep him or is Duhwight not ready to make a decision just yet on his long term future?

[BuddhaBaller]

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Wish I had been involved with this thread from the get-go.

I can't explain why they didn't trade Dwight. I really think it was a huge mistake and they need to fix that before he ends up leaving just like Shaq did and they get absolutely nothing for him. They just aren't going to win a championship there with him. Not unless they can convince some other star players to come join this circus....fat chance, imo.

[DonkeyJote]

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Ok my next question is why didn't they just trade him then? Do the Magic WANT to keep him or is Duhwight not ready to make a decision just yet on his long term future?

That's the thing. They decided not to trade Dwight, and to hope he'd resign with them. Then, they decided to trade him. Then they decided not to. And now we're hearing they want to deal him again. As much as Dwight hasn't been able to decide whether he wants to stay or go, the Magic haven't been able to decide if they want to trade him now, or take the chance he'll stay.

I still think it's 50/50 he'll stay. I'll be surprised if he's traded before the season starts. Mostly because of his back. It's the type of injury that can make teams wary, so if there was a Dwight deal, I think it'd have to be after he proved he was healthy.

[King_B_Mack]

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Better call the docs in here. Muscles are gonna get strained with all this reaching.

If Dwight Howard says he wants to play for the Magic and he's staying then the Magic aren't shopping him or making a decision to trade him. Period. Everything the Magic have done in this situation is reactionary to what Dwight has done so it's not even close to the same thing.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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That's the thing. They decided not to trade Dwight, and to hope he'd resign with them. Then, they decided to trade him. Then they decided not to. And now we're hearing they want to deal him again. As much as Dwight hasn't been able to decide whether he wants to stay or go, the Magic haven't been able to decide if they want to trade him now, or take the chance he'll stay.

Wait a minute, I'm confused lol

It's the Magic that has been flip flopping or Duhwight that's been flip flopping or both of them flip flopping?(Most # of times I've used that word on here lol)

[DonkeyJote]

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Wait a minute, I'm confused lol

It's the Magic that has been flip flopping or Duhwight that's been flip flopping or both of them flip flopping?(Most # of times I've used that word on here lol)

Lol. Both of them.

[DonkeyJote]

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Better call the docs in here. Muscles are gonna get strained with all this reaching.

If Dwight Howard says he wants to play for the Magic and he's staying then the Magic aren't shopping him or making a decision to trade him. Period. Everything the Magic have done in this situation is reactionary to what Dwight has done so it's not even close to the same thing.

What about when he said publicly and to the Magic he didn't want to be traded. How is it reactionary to Dwight when the Magic started shopping him again after that?

[mKoz26]

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What about when he said publicly and to the Magic he didn't want to be traded. How is it reactionary to Dwight when the Magic started shopping him again after that?

That never happened.

Why?

Because Dwight's trade value relies on his willingness to re-sign with the team he is traded to. If Dwight didn't want to be traded, the Magic would have received significantly less value in return because teams wouldn't want to invest so much into a year of Dwight Howard.