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  • Bornindamecca
    Books Nelson Simnation
    • Jul 2007
    • 10919

    #1

    2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

    I'm thinking of Dallas and and San Antonio with this topic, but feel free to bring up any other teams first.

    Dallas Mavericks

    They've got a legit MVP candidate in Dirk right now, but their supporting cast is pretty amazing. Kidd is ageless and probably has the overall best court vision in the game even at this stage in his career. Butler is starting to figure out his role a la Richard Jefferson. Maytch(ha!) is coming off of the bench, Chandler is playing out of his mind, and Jason Terry is still some of the best instant offense in the league. 1-7 this team is putting high quality players on the floor at all times, and if Dirk is what he's supposed to be, they have a top 5 go-to scorer in the game in the closing moments.

    Concerns: Perimeter defense against elite players. Marion is still a high quality defender for bigger players, but overall their backcourt is either small or slow against the top competition depending on who's on the floor. At the end of games, the Mavs have a tendency to be a bit of a jumpshooting team. If Dirk takes his turn around below the FT line, it's good news because he's drawing the defense in and possibly getting a foul, and if he doesn't make a play for someone else that is a high percentage shot that Chandler/Matrix/Kidd can rebound. If he or Terry are taking those long jumpers or 3s at the end, the elite teams have better options for the end of the game, and this could cause a loss in the playoffs.

    People have written them off, and I don't agree with that. The Lakers look to be the better team and other Western teams will certainly give them trouble in the post season, but not enough that I could write them off. Talent, depth, leadership, shooting, rebounding and defense--this is a very well rounded team.

    San Antonio Spurs

    I haven't seen that much of the Spurs this year, but from what I have seen Tony is back, Manu has gotten healthy and figured out his veteran play, Jefferson has fit into the system(%s out of this world), McDyess still won't miss from midrange, Hill and Blair have the experience to go with their youth and Bonner and Neal are assassins from 3. Thiago Splitter will be an X factor. Timmy's production is way down but the word is he's taking it easy to save it for the post season. Even the biggest Spurs optimist won't expect him to return to his prime form, but even 70% of that is formidable when you consider the shooters on that roster.

    Concerns: Oddly enough, defense, which sounds crazy when talking about a Spurs team. In a championship discussion, we're only talking about them beating the playoff teams in the West--Jazz, Lakers, Mavs, Thunder, Nuggets, Hornets, Suns(I don't think Memphis/Portland/GSW can possibly beat the Spurs, even if they sneak in). The elite scorers pose serious problems for the Spurs across the board. They don't have a Marion or Sefolosha that they can throw onto a big guard, they'll have to play Dirk 1 on 1, and no one can guard Deron or CP3. In the playoffs, I'm curious to see what Popp does to field a defense that gives them enough to support their offense.
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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #2
    Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

    I know the Spurs brought back Udoka, who I think last time he was with them was a pretty good perimeter defender, if I'm not mistaken. But with both the Mavs and Spurs, they also have good Coaching as well.

    I wanna include the Bulls in this, but I wanna wait til I see how they look with Boozer in the lineup and give them time to get him involved there before I pass further judgement on them.
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    • Marino
      Moderator
      • Jan 2008
      • 18113

      #3
      Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

      Bobcats

      Because they suck.

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      • ZB9
        Hall Of Fame
        • Nov 2004
        • 18387

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        Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

        imho with the Mavs, they could have a shot IF Caron bucks up and becomes the viable threat that he showed against the Heat last night and that he has shown to be in the past (or if he doesnt, if Dallas can trade him a piece for a top caliber wing) and IF Roddy B comes back healthy in December

        if those two things happen, and if Dirk, Terry, Kidd, Tyson Chandler, Marion, etc. stay healthy and continue to play well, then the Mavs can contend

        their very best chance though is if Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, and Phil Jackson are abducted by aliens
        Last edited by ZB9; 11-28-2010, 11:23 PM.

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        • TheMatrix31
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          • Jul 2002
          • 52908

          #5
          Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

          None of these teams will win the championship, because the Lakers will.

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          • Landlordos7
            Rookie
            • Apr 2007
            • 157

            #6
            Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

            Originally posted by TheMatrix31
            None of these teams will win the championship, because the Lakers will.


            That's pretty much the only real answer.

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            • Bornindamecca
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              • Jul 2007
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              #7
              Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

              Originally posted by TheMatrix31
              None of these teams will win the championship, because the Lakers will.
              Originally posted by Landlordos7
              That's pretty much the only real answer.
              You guys seriously don't think the Spurs or Mavs have the talent to pull out a win against the Lakers? Not at all? Both teams are fielding a lot of quality players. Former All Stars and 20ppg scorers abound. Dirk can outproduce Pau, Chandler can be tough on the boards and Kobe has to deal with Caron/Kidd/Marion against the Mavs. The Spurs are lights out right now, and if it's true about Duncan pacing himself, they could be awesome come playoff time. My only beef with the Spurs is I don't see how they defend Bryant, and Udoka doesn't count.
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              • TheMatrix31
                RF
                • Jul 2002
                • 52908

                #8
                Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

                I wish I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. Laker magic triumphs it all. They win. Even when they're not supposed to, they win. Even when it looks hopeless, they win.

                They're going to win.

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                • Dice
                  Sitting by the door
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 6627

                  #9
                  Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

                  The Spurs and Celtics seem like the only capable teams of beating the Lakers in a 7-game series. Not saying that they will BUT they seem like the only two teams in the league right now that has a chance.

                  The Spurs look revitalized this season. They also have the player personal and a coach that knows what it takes to get to that championship level. Most of them have been there before.

                  Then you got the Celtics that may not have won it as many times as the Spurs BUT they also have the players and the coach that knows what it takes to reach that championship level.

                  I think a lot of people take for granted the experience of being playoff tested. Both teams, as well as the Lakers, know that your series doesn’t start until you lose that first game in the playoffs. You start to notice the contenders from the pretenders when they lose that first playoff game. Notice how each team reacts. The contenders don’t panic. They adjust without making a lot of whole-sale changes. While the pretenders either keep sticking to a plan that’s not working OR they make huge adjustments that drastically alters the identity of the team.

                  That’s why I really don’t have faith in a team like the Mavericks because they’ve been exactly what I described as pretenders. Same goes with LeBron and the Cavs the last couple of years.
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                  • ZB9
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 18387

                    #10
                    Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

                    Originally posted by Dice
                    That’s why I really don’t have faith in a team like the Mavericks because they’ve been exactly what I described as pretenders. Same goes with LeBron and the Cavs the last couple of years.
                    It is difficult to compare this year's Dallas team to the last couple of seasons because the Mavs are certainly a different team with Tyson Chandler. He alone adds a new dynamic that they have been lacking. Dallas has never had a center of his caliber (its been a while since they have had even an above average center) and it makes a huge difference for Dirk and the entire roster.

                    A key to them contending though is Caron Butler. He needs to play like he did against Miami for the Mavs to have a serious shot.
                    Last edited by ZB9; 11-29-2010, 03:41 PM.

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                    • dossier
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 2272

                      #11
                      Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

                      I agree with zb9, in addition they also have the personell and talent to make up for being "pretenders"

                      the chicago bulls can't win a championship this year because they don't have the chemistry or depth in the big man department to hang with the big guys. Next year they will be really scary (assuming boozer doesn't walk into a walk and break his hip

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                      • Dice
                        Sitting by the door
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 6627

                        #12
                        Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

                        Originally posted by dossier
                        I agree with zb9, in addition they also have the personell and talent to make up for being "pretenders"

                        the chicago bulls can't win a championship this year because they don't have the chemistry or depth in the big man department to hang with the big guys. Next year they will be really scary (assuming boozer doesn't walk into a walk and break his hip
                        I disagree with the chemistry thought. I think they have great chemistry right now. What’s going to do them in is that they don’t have enough offensive firepower at the wing positions to get it done. Our 2-guard spot has been a huge hole this year and despite the fact that Deng is playing out of his mind this year I still don’t feel comfortable with him in a playoff matchup with Paul Pierce. Or even LeBron James if Miami makes it that far. And let’s say the Bulls do happen to go to the Finals, would you feel comfortable with any of our wings going against Kobe? Or Durrant? Or Ginobli?
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                        • Landlordos7
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                          • Apr 2007
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                          #13
                          Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

                          Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                          You guys seriously don't think the Spurs or Mavs have the talent to pull out a win against the Lakers? Not at all? Both teams are fielding a lot of quality players. Former All Stars and 20ppg scorers abound. Dirk can outproduce Pau, Chandler can be tough on the boards and Kobe has to deal with Caron/Kidd/Marion against the Mavs. The Spurs are lights out right now, and if it's true about Duncan pacing himself, they could be awesome come playoff time. My only beef with the Spurs is I don't see how they defend Bryant, and Udoka doesn't count.

                          No.

                          If the Lakers could beat the Celtics and win a championship with the lackadaisical team they had last year, there's no way they're losing this year.

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                          • dossier
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 2272

                            #14
                            Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

                            Originally posted by Dice
                            I disagree with the chemistry thought. I think they have great chemistry right now. What’s going to do them in is that they don’t have enough offensive firepower at the wing positions to get it done. Our 2-guard spot has been a huge hole this year and despite the fact that Deng is playing out of his mind this year I still don’t feel comfortable with him in a playoff matchup with Paul Pierce. Or even LeBron James if Miami makes it that far. And let’s say the Bulls do happen to go to the Finals, would you feel comfortable with any of our wings going against Kobe? Or Durrant? Or Ginobli?
                            chemistry in terms of with boozer, who will be a vital piece to the team. With the bigs on the bulls I'm not worried about miami, and boozer can handle which wing player is hot that night.
                            Next year the celtics will be another year older and the bulls are for the most part in their prime or will be.
                            Brewer is a pretty good wing player, but I think 1-5 the bulls are with the top teams. Can you see fisher, or tony, or even westbrook for that matter guarding rose NEXT YEAR? No one on the thunder can guard boozer, and duncan probably will be at best somewhat good at best against boozer. And they would be contenders, like the celtics, magic etc. and none of those teams can beat the lakers.

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                            • Chrisksaint
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                              • Apr 2010
                              • 19127

                              #15
                              Re: 2010:Why can't ______ win the champinship?

                              Hornets won't cause they have no real presence down low at all, I give Emeka credit for improving and being a decent defender but he's not a reliable scorer unless he's hot and he's about the only big man we got since David West is more finesse then anything
                              Saints, LSU, Seminoles, Pelicans, Marlins, Lightning

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