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  • BlueNGold
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2009
    • 21817

    #91
    Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

    Originally posted by grunt
    16 games.

    The NBA season is really long.
    Originally posted by z Revis
    A. The vast majority of NFL games are played on one day. And B. There are only 16 weeks.

    With the NBA, there are games on just about every night for 8 months straight including the Playoffs. I completely understand the overexposure statement.
    True.

    I misunderstood the post I quoted. I thought grunt meant overexposed as in we can see the bad teams/players too easily now because you can see every team's games. In that case I would disagree because the talent pool of players has gotten a lot deeper over the last few years.
    Originally posted by bradtxmale
    I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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    • grunt
      Banned
      • Jul 2002
      • 9527

      #92
      Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

      Originally posted by BlueNGold
      True.

      I misunderstood the post I quoted. I thought grunt meant overexposed as in we can see the bad teams/players too easily now because you can see every team's games. In that case I would disagree because the talent pool of players has gotten a lot deeper over the last few years.
      I disagree with the talent pool. The low post game and mid range game are almost gone from league. How many players can even do a hook shot?

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      • BlueNGold
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2009
        • 21817

        #93
        Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

        Originally posted by grunt
        I disagree with the talent pool. The low post game and mid range game are almost gone from league. How many players can even do a hook shot?
        That's not necessarily on the talent pool though. That's just the game changing(for better or worse) IMO. Why shoot a mid range jumper when most of the time you could drive the lane and get a whistle or shoot a 3, which of course is more valuable than a mid range 2.

        I mean look at years prior when there were a ton of garbage teams in the league. Now, thanks to whats happened with some recent FA happenings and some deep draft classes, there is a bit more balance to the league. Almost every team has at least 1 player worth watching, and in most cases more than 1. The only real exceptions to that that come to mind are Cleveland and Toronto, and that's only because of the LeBron/Bosh/Miami situation.
        Originally posted by bradtxmale
        I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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        • The 24th Letter
          ERA
          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #94
          Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

          Originally posted by BATMON
          Despite harder play back the day, star treatment still existed.
          This.

          I dont care how fond you are of the glory days, this is nothing new.

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          • 23
            yellow
            • Sep 2002
            • 66469

            #95
            Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
            This.

            I dont care how fond you are of the glory days, this is nothing new.
            That still doesnt detract from the original point

            Glory days or not, someone bringing up the reason todays NBA is making them lose interest has absolutely nothing to do with calls Jordan got back in the 90s and again, as much as you guys keep claiming about star calls back then, you cannot attest to it being equally as brutal on the defensive end in this era.... its not even close

            I wish the focus would stay on what it should be on, and thats the product we're looking at currently looming a lockout

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            • The 24th Letter
              ERA
              • Oct 2007
              • 39373

              #96
              Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

              Well man, the threads about why the NBA is failing for the OP....others have agreed and brought up their own reasons.

              Officiating\ star treatment has been brought up as as a peeve for many.....which is something some people seem to think JUST started happening. When you get in discussions about the past, the biggest players of that era are going to get brought up.

              Sure the game was more physical, the point people are making is that star players have always gotten special treatment....so its not really a factor...

              Not every one buys in to the conspiracys and all that, everyone has their own view as to why the NBA is failing for them in particular..

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              • 23
                yellow
                • Sep 2002
                • 66469

                #97
                Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

                Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                Well man, the threads about why the NBA is failing for the OP....others have agreed and brought up their own reasons.

                Officiating\ star treatment has been brought up as as a peeve for many.....which is something some people seem to think JUST started happening. When you get in discussions about the past, the biggest players of that era are going to get brought up.

                Sure the game was more physical, the point people are making is that star players have always gotten special treatment....so its not really a factor...

                Not every one buys in to the conspiracys and all that, everyone has their own view as to why the NBA is failing for them in particular..
                I dont disagree with the over abundant star treatment and reffing... I agree with that 100%. I could give you quotes from Karl Malone saying things like "see what you can get away with and if you can get away with it keep doing it"...but if someone thought certain things JUST started happening they must be pretty young.

                Now someone asked why is there no outcry when Jordan was in the league as if it was as corrupt as today. My point to that was it really isnt the OPs topic (jordans era)and 2nd, how can you ask that question about ignoring how physical the game was and how it was a normal part of the game, because there is a stark difference on that side of the ball compared to today. Guys got some calls but they also got hammed so much more its not even funny.

                Difference today is that its much more corrupted, much more entertainment and money than it is a game as it was then.... its always easy to throw out bland accusations and then say see, that fits what i was saying.

                The Sacramento Kings got royally screwed and we all saw it, one of the refs admitted it, we even had a coach come out and say Stu Jackson told him the refs were going to watch his player more closely after a mark cuban comlpaint.... Why call that kind of stuff a conspiracy when its obviously not?

                Now I wouldnt tell anyone what reasons the L is failing for them but Jordan and everyone else from Ewing to Gary Payton are all long retired

                If someone is bringing them up as the reason the L is failing them as of today then I think thats silly
                Last edited by 23; 01-22-2011, 11:14 PM.

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                • The 24th Letter
                  ERA
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 39373

                  #98
                  Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

                  Well I think thats the point some are making. If someones main reason for not enjoying the league is superstar calls, it begs to be asked why is it just now bothering you? lol....

                  I enjoy the NBA personally, but my main peeve starts and ends with the lack of physicality in the game. Theres absolutely no question about it. Seems like every game I watch im getting annoyed by a touch foul or two.

                  As far as the controversies, its just nothing new to me....
                  I mean, when im bored, I look up old NBA media....just a hobby of mine...Ive been seeing storys of corruption\controversies for a loooong time. Just for a TASTE, there is a wiki specifically for the NBAs biggest controversies, and a good bit of it is before the "new" NBA.....the NBA has been, and will always be about the $ unfortunately.

                  Anyway, I feel where your coming from.

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                  • 23
                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469

                    #99
                    Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

                    Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                    Well I think thats the point some are making. If someones main reason for not enjoying the league is superstar calls, it begs to be asked why is it just now bothering you? lol....

                    I enjoy the NBA personally, but my main peeve starts and ends with the lack of physicality in the game. Theres absolutely no question about it. Seems like every game I watch im getting annoyed by a touch foul or two.

                    As far as the controversies, its just nothing new to me....
                    I mean, when im bored, I look up old NBA media....just a hobby of mine...Ive been seeing storys of corruption\controversies for a loooong time. Just for a TASTE, there is a wiki specifically for the NBAs biggest controversies, and a good bit of it is before the "new" NBA.....the NBA has been, and will always be about the $ unfortunately.

                    Anyway, I feel where your coming from.

                    Yeah man we definitely dont disagree man... the outcry is the over abundance of corruption and what the game has turned into.

                    I still dont agree with his throwing Jordan in... too many holes in that question but as it stands there definitely is a problem and we all agree on that whatever the case might be.

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                    • TheMatrix31
                      RF
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 52931

                      #100
                      Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

                      Like I said upthread, if people start to doubt the legitimacy of the games, then it's game over.

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                      • 23
                        yellow
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 66469

                        #101
                        Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

                        Then I guess its game over

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                        • Bumi
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 967

                          #102
                          Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

                          My solution? Watch college football. The purest of all highly televised athletics and most enjoyable to watch. Followed by the NFL, but then, that's a discussion for another time.

                          To get back on topic, the NBA is what is it, and the chances of an immediate change are zilch. Personally? I watch a game here and there, particularly Thunder games(I have tons of respect for Kevin Durant), and enjoy it for what is is. A flawed game. Does officiating reek of corruption? Yes. Has selfishness and protective treatment of star players diluted the product? Yes. Is the game lacking competent and versatile big men while simultaneously being overrun with unskilled perimeter players who constantly drive the lane looking for fouls; and who'd rather launch up a barrage of off target three's than refine a mid range game? Yes. Etc, etc, etc. But what are you going to do, who's responsible? If you're looking for someone to blame, you need only look in the mirror.

                          We allowed this to happen. We're the ones that elevated Michael Jordan, the a$s(and I'm a fan) that he is, to living-deity status. Seeking desperately to find prospect who could replicate even a fraction of his successes. As a result, we've spawned an era of me first prospects who play only to reach a similar status, but who refuse to work hard enough to attain it. These "divas" are our handiwork.

                          We're the ones who've followed LeBron James since middle school, crowning him "King" before he even touched an NBA court, dribbled an NBA basketball, or bled in an NBA towel. We're a part of the 7.3% of American televised homes who sat on our couches on July 8th, 2010; flipped to ESPN, and "witnessed" LeBron James make a mockery of the NBA.

                          We're the ones that watched the corruption that is NBA officiating during game 7 of last years finals, swallowed it, and continued on watching the product as if nothing happened. I could go on and on, but I'm sure my point will be understood.

                          We created the beast, we feed the beast, and alas, we must live with it. Personally? I'm about done. I've reached the limits of my indulgence. I'm not sure I can tolerate any more of the tragedy that is modern NBA basketball. But, there's hope. The things is, we've been at the mercy of the NBA for far too long when the NBA should've been at ours. It is, because we are. A failed sentiment in modern society. If we cease to feed it with our pockets and choose to no longer watch the product, it'll have no other choice but to evolve past its current state.


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                          • Rawdeal28
                            Swiitch U? lol
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 7407

                            #103
                            Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

                            Originally posted by sportyguyfl31
                            I put the blame squarely on David Stern.

                            It took 20 years, but Stern has finally gotten what he has wanted: A Eurofied NBA.

                            The enforcer power forward who patrolled the paint, the lockdown, physical, on ball defender, the classic low post center are pretty much extinct.

                            The game is now the domain of the perimeter player, due to the rule changes.

                            Players now dive into the lane at 100 MPH, bang into a defender, throw some slop up against the glass, and expect to hear a whistle. When they dont get one, they act as if someone just slapped their wife.
                            Originally posted by sportyguyfl31
                            I agree with the sentiments that the "modern" (Post 1980) athlete hasnt changed in 30 years.

                            They, first and foremost, want to get paid and be in comfortable situations.


                            Before Jordan was the guy sporting immaculate custom fitted suits, he was viewed as a punk kid, wearing baggy Nike sweats and gold chains to press conference. He used to threaten retirement if the team was interested in acquiring a player he didn't like

                            The "Larry Bird Rule" exists because Larry wanted to get paid, and the Celtics wanted to pay him. Both for winning and box office purposes.

                            Magic threw coaches under the bus and extorted a 10 year contract out of the Lakers.

                            Isiah was an absolute creep of a human being.

                            Still, there is something different about this generation of NBA player (and all pro athletes).

                            These kids come into the league with a sense of entitlement now.

                            Being a UCONN alum, I'll use my favorite NBA whipping boy, and least favorite UCONN Husky of all time: Rudy Gay.

                            Dude spent his entire college career playing at half speed, played no defense and living off of his AAU reputation.

                            Despite doing nothing noteworthy at UCONN, and playing like a dog in every crunch time game he played in, he becomes a high lottery pick due to his great "upside"

                            He spends the next 5 years, playing at 75% of his potential, throwing down just enough vicious dunks in traffic, and 25 foot jumpers, to seduce you, and gets rewarded with a toxic, poison pill, max contract.

                            That's the single biggest thing that has killed the NBA.
                            Originally posted by Bumi
                            My solution? Watch college football. The purest of all highly televised athletics and most enjoyable to watch. Followed by the NFL, but then, that's a discussion for another time.

                            To get back on topic, the NBA is what is it, and the chances of an immediate change are zilch. Personally? I watch a game here and there, particularly Thunder games(I have tons of respect for Kevin Durant), and enjoy it for what is is. A flawed game. Does officiating reek of corruption? Yes. Has selfishness and protective treatment of star players diluted the product? Yes. Is the game lacking competent and versatile big men while simultaneously being overrun with unskilled perimeter players who constantly drive the lane looking for fouls; and who'd rather launch up a barrage of off target three's than refine a mid range game? Yes. Etc, etc, etc. But what are you going to do, who's responsible? If you're looking for someone to blame, you need only look in the mirror.

                            We allowed this to happen. We're the ones that elevated Michael Jordan, the a$s(and I'm a fan) that he is, to living-deity status. Seeking desperately to find prospect who could replicate even a fraction of his successes. As a result, we've spawned an era of me first prospects who play only to reach a similar status, but who refuse to work hard enough to attain it. These "divas" are our handiwork.

                            We're the ones who've followed LeBron James since middle school, crowning him "King" before he even touched an NBA court, dribbled an NBA basketball, or bled in an NBA towel. We're a part of the 7.3% of American televised homes who sat on our couches on July 8th, 2010; flipped to ESPN, and "witnessed" LeBron James make a mockery of the NBA.

                            We're the ones that watched the corruption that is NBA officiating during game 7 of last years finals, swallowed it, and continued on watching the product as if nothing happened. I could go on and on, but I'm sure my point will be understood.

                            We created the beast, we feed the beast, and alas, we must live with it. Personally? I'm about done. I've reached the limits of my indulgence. I'm not sure I can tolerate any more of the tragedy that is modern NBA basketball. But, there's hope. The things is, we've been at the mercy of the NBA for far too long when the NBA should've been at ours. It is, because we are. A failed sentiment in modern society. If we cease to feed it with our pockets and choose to no longer watch the product, it'll have no other choice but to evolve past its current state.



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                            Man there are no flashers... now what are we going to do for vd
                            I'm sure there's plenty of prostitutes you could pay if you really want vd.
                            yea but will they take psn cards
                            Depends on what area of a hooker you would use to redeem them.

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                            • TheShizNo1
                              Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 26341

                              #104
                              Originally posted by Bumi
                              My solution? Watch college football. The purest of all highly televised athletics and most enjoyable to watch. Followed by the NFL, but then, that's a discussion for another time.

                              To get back on topic, the NBA is what is it, and the chances of an immediate change are zilch. Personally? I watch a game here and there, particularly Thunder games(I have tons of respect for Kevin Durant), and enjoy it for what is is. A flawed game. Does officiating reek of corruption? Yes. Has selfishness and protective treatment of star players diluted the product? Yes. Is the game lacking competent and versatile big men while simultaneously being overrun with unskilled perimeter players who constantly drive the lane looking for fouls; and who'd rather launch up a barrage of off target three's than refine a mid range game? Yes. Etc, etc, etc. But what are you going to do, who's responsible? If you're looking for someone to blame, you need only look in the mirror.

                              We allowed this to happen. We're the ones that elevated Michael Jordan, the a$s(and I'm a fan) that he is, to living-deity status. Seeking desperately to find prospect who could replicate even a fraction of his successes. As a result, we've spawned an era of me first prospects who play only to reach a similar status, but who refuse to work hard enough to attain it. These "divas" are our handiwork.

                              We're the ones who've followed LeBron James since middle school, crowning him "King" before he even touched an NBA court, dribbled an NBA basketball, or bled in an NBA towel. We're a part of the 7.3% of American televised homes who sat on our couches on July 8th, 2010; flipped to ESPN, and "witnessed" LeBron James make a mockery of the NBA.

                              We're the ones that watched the corruption that is NBA officiating during game 7 of last years finals, swallowed it, and continued on watching the product as if nothing happened. I could go on and on, but I'm sure my point will be understood.

                              We created the beast, we feed the beast, and alas, we must live with it. Personally? I'm about done. I've reached the limits of my indulgence. I'm not sure I can tolerate any more of the tragedy that is modern NBA basketball. But, there's hope. The things is, we've been at the mercy of the NBA for far too long when the NBA should've been at ours. It is, because we are. A failed sentiment in modern society. If we cease to feed it with our pockets and choose to no longer watch the product, it'll have no other choice but to evolve past its current state.

                              All of those I agree w/ except the game 7 example. I'm a casual basketball fan that keeps up w/ everything. While watching the finals I was thinking, "man, is this what I've been missing?" In 3 quarters of game 7, I saw defense like I've never seen it played in the NBA. Then, in the 4th qaurter, I saw a game taken from one team, and handed to another. After that, I have not watched a full qaurter of an NBA game this season. That game ruined my perception of it. I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority though.

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                              • The 24th Letter
                                ERA
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 39373

                                #105
                                Re: The reason why I think the NBA is failing for me

                                Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                                Like I said upthread, if people start to doubt the legitimacy of the games, then it's game over.
                                Well if they are doubting that now, the NBA has had the same core a refs for a long time...

                                Theyd have to believe it was game over since they started watching...

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