2010-11 NBA Regular Season MVP Discussion

[Po Pimp]

Re: 2010-11 NBA Regular Season MVP Discussion

Rose isn't "way" more skilled. He handles the ball better, something I've already alluded to. He isn't a better shooter. In that aspect, it's six in one hand, a half dozen in the other. Same goes for finishing at or around the basket. Being a better leader isn't quantifiable. Though, I'll give the nod to Rose. Which, makes sense considering Rose is the unquestioned leader of his squad. Westbrook isn't. Due in part to the fact the he plays alongside an elite player and legit superstar. Someone better than himself.

Westbrook, at times, plays erratic. So does Rose. Same goes for shoot selection.

The two aren't that far apart from each other, and their respective games most definitely mirrors the others.

Ok man, u know better than me

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

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According to hoopdata.com Westbrook is a better finisher at the rim then Rose is. He attempts more per game an has a higher fg% then him but yea Rose is a better shooter. Heck if you look at everything they are the exact same player.

http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstat...&gp=40&mins=30

I know stats aren't then end all be all but they are almost identical. the real difference in them is Rose is the number 1 guy on his team while Westbrook is the number 2 guy. I mean you can go by what your eyes see (mines say Rose is better) but the stats say they are the same.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Wait, what?









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But when I point out your inability to comprehend what "elite" means, I'm silly.



You're trying to have it both ways. Appease the many people who like Rose by saying he's elite, but still hanging onto your idea that he's not and wording it differently. I don't even know why you're doing it, but you are. If you believe he's elite, fine. If not, fine. Just don't tell me he's elite but not in the top group of guys. That's a contradiction clear as day. Suggesting anything otherwise can only be described as silly.

What point are you attempting to make?

Seriously

Good to see Durant show out tonight. Showed he's more than a one trick pony

[TheMatrix31]

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**shrug**

I understood the point he's trying to make. Didn't seem all that unclear to me.

But don't go around shaking your head at him. No need for that ****.

[cubsball899]

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i seriously cannot believe we are still having to debate the difference between Rose and Westbrook

you guys DO know that OKC was only the 4 seed this year right? despite having apparently 2 of the top 5-10 players in the league

[Bumi]

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i seriously cannot believe we are still having to debate the difference between Rose and Westbrook

you guys DO know that OKC was only the 4 seed this year right? despite having apparently 2 of the top 5-10 players in the league

How exactly does that void the comparison? Their seeding is irrelevant to the discussion. Moreover, it isn't as if Oklahoma City played poorly. They finished within 2 games of both the Lakers and Mavericks, and about 6 behind the Spurs. All veteran teams that have had and maintained tremendous amounts of success over the last decade.

Also, no one thinks Westbrook is better than Rose. Only that the latter isn't leaps and bounds ahead of the former, and that their games, as in how the play, mirrors the others.

[Dice]

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If you believe Rose is not a top 5 player, or not better than CP3, or as good as Westbrook then that's fine. BUT when someone does say that Rose IS a top five player or the best PG in the league, try not to think of it as moronic or someone sipping kool-aid. It's not like we're talking about Mo Williams here. Rose is going to win the MVP and that counts for something.

[jeebs9]

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After CP3, Westbrook and even Rondo going into "hungry mode" mode yesterday. The PG guard dedate could go on forever lol.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

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Heck after the playoffs I will be interested in seeing peoples top 10 players at each position. So many players made big improvements this season that it has to be different from what some of us thought before this season started.

[TMagic]

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**shrug**

I understood the point he's trying to make. Didn't seem all that unclear to me.

But don't go around shaking your head at him. No need for that ****.

It's just that dude is arguing over semantics and not the real discusssion at hand. Holding onto what "elite" means and using that as basis for his argument.

The whole time Ex is saying that Rose is one the best players in the league. But that he's just not as good as a few other guys that are in the league.

Simple really. If "elite" was never thrown out there, mKoz26 wouldn't even have anything to debate with him about.

[BlueNGold]

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Heck after the playoffs I will be interested in seeing peoples top 10 players at each position. So many players made big improvements this season that it has to be different from what some of us thought before this season started.

Not that anyone cares and I'm not even sure if it belongs in this thread, but my top 10 would be something like this:

LeBron
Kobe
Wade
Dwight
Durant
Dirk
Rose
Deron
CP3 (if it weren't for the shadiness of his knee he'd be top 5 easily)
Melo/Pau (not sure who I'd go with here)

[jeebs9]

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^^Yea I pretty much agree with that.^^ I don't think I would change anything up there. But I probably would put CP3 in the top 5 too if his knee was a little better. I know what Rose is worth to a lot of you guys in here. But I like CP3 as a point guard overall.

[BlueNGold]

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^^Yea I pretty much agree with that.^^ I don't think I would change anything up there. But I probably would put CP3 in the top 5 too if his knee was a little better. I know what Rose is worth to a lot of you guys in here. But I like CP3 as a point guard overall.

Yeah, if it wasn't for the knee and the possibility that it's going to keep getting worse or whatever the case is, he'd be top 5 overall easily and the best PG in the league IMO.

Man, why the hell did it have to be CP3 that got hit with the career-threatening knee injury? Of all the players....

*LeSigh*

[jeebs9]

Yea I know what you mean. I didn't like him in college. But once he was in the nba. He grew on me alot.

I'm still waiting for Lebron to get his first major injury. I know its right around the corner some where.

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[ex carrabba fan]

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So using emoticons are against TOS now? There are times when it's needed.

i seriously cannot believe we are still having to debate the difference between Rose and Westbrook

you guys DO know that OKC was only the 4 seed this year right? despite having apparently 2 of the top 5-10 players in the league

I was thinking about this more after last night's game, and I still do think the debate is alive and well.

The Bulls do indeed have a better record, and from what Rose has displayed this season, it's fair to say he has the edge right now. But moving forward, and maybe even in the playoffs I think people will start to see that the edge is very slight.

While Westbrook has Durant, Rose does have Boozer [great PnR player] and a now consistent Deng. Outside of Durant, their other offensive threat is Harden off the bench... I was thinking that OKC doesn't have that many more offensive threats than Chicago.

The skill set on Westbrook is evident. He wants the ball when the game is on the line, that's what I love about him. Nothing else really needs to be said about his skill set.

If you believe Rose is not a top 5 player, or not better than CP3, or as good as Westbrook then that's fine. BUT when someone does say that Rose IS a top five player or the best PG in the league, try not to think of it as moronic or someone sipping kool-aid. It's not like we're talking about Mo Williams here. Rose is going to win the MVP and that counts for something.

Sorry, but I do think it's Kool-Aid talk if anyone thinks Rose is the best player in the league. Do I think it's moronic? No. Do I think it's homerish to hear it from Bulls' fan? Yes.

As far as being the best PG in the league, sure give him that crown for the regular season. It's pretty damn evident that the gap is minuscule. It's the golden age for PG's right now. The crown could switch heads a ton in the near future.

Telling yall, Westbrook is on Rose's ***!