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  • Dice
    Sitting by the door
    • Jul 2002
    • 6627

    #1

    Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?



    I know this article is from last week BUT when Rose starts talking about being out-rebounded in the last couple of games, I couldn't help to think of Noah. NOW, I know he's recovering from an injury and all but it seems like he gets worse and worse when he plays as opposed to someone getting better and better after being out. Since he's come back from the injury, he's yet to give the Bulls double digits in rebounds. And against the Magic yesterday, WITH NO DWIGHT HOWARD, he played awful. The Bulls is going to need at least his rebounding if they're talking about going to the Finals.

    Here is the actual articel from last week:
    Have the Bulls peaked?

    When a team has won 16 of its last 18 games, that’s a question that should be asked delicately. But after another lackluster home victory, it can’t be ignored either.

    The Bulls emerged as a championship contender with an eye-opening 15-3 stretch after the West Coast trip in February. They beat the Spurs and Heat at home and the Heat and Magic on the road, then won seven games in an eight-game stretch by an average of 21 points, capped by 30-point blowouts of the Kings and Hawks on the road. They looked unbeatable.

    Since then, the Bulls started showing signs of a team that has hit a mental, if not physical, wall. They’ve struggled to put away the Grizzlies, Bucks, Pistons, Raptors and Suns — borderline playoff contenders at best. They lost decisively to the 76ers at home. The only blowout was against the hapless Timberwolves.

    The Bulls are 57-20, with the best record in the East heading into tonight’s home game with the Celtics. But even Derrick Rose knows the team is not playing as well as it was.

    ‘‘A win is a win. But right now we’re not moving in the right direction,’’ Rose said. ‘‘If we’re trying to do something special, playing like this at home, we can’t do that.’’

    And the Bulls, who lead the NBA in rebound differential (plus-5.6 per game), were outrebounded for the third time in five games Tuesday night.

    The Suns, who rank 29th of 30 NBA teams in rebound differential (minus-4 per game), outrebounded the Bulls 43-41 overall and 13-7 in the fourth quarter. They had more offensive rebounds in the fourth quarter (six) than the Bulls had defensive rebounds (five).

    ‘‘I’m concerned any time we’re outrebounded,’’ Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau said. ‘‘But everybody in the league is going through the same thing. So it’s our ability to concentrate and focus, to be ready. We have to get to a point where we can play 48 minutes.’’

    The Bulls, who lead the league in field-goal defense (.430), recently held 37 of 39 opponents below 50 percent shooting. But the Pistons (51.4 percent) and Raptors (50.6) were above 50 back-to-back last week.

    The Bulls still have gas in the tank when they need it most. After the Suns hit 14 of 21 shots in the second half to cut a 22-point deficit to two, the Bulls held them to 2-for-9 shooting in the final 4:21. But the Suns scored 50 points in the paint. The Pistons scored 52 last week.

    Is fatigue setting in?

    ‘‘What’s fatigue?’’ Thibodeau said. ‘‘These guys have been playing a lot of minutes all year. Every team has the same issues. It’s readiness to play.’’

    A team on the rise often lives on adrenaline, but usually doesn’t have an unlimited supply. The 1988-89 Bulls were 45-27, but lost eight of their last 10. The 1989-90 Bulls were 53-23, but lost four of their last six.

    Those teams found a second wind and reached the conference finals. So with five games left in the regular season, the Celtics might be a good measurement of how well the Bulls can refocus and re-energize. When the Bulls played the Celtics in January, they were coming off a loss to the 76ers, who shot 56.3 percent. The Noah-less Bulls held the Kevin Garnett-less Celtics to 37.8 percent shooting and outrebounded them 48-27 in a 90-79 victory.

    There’s plenty of incentive. A victory would eliminate the Celtics from contention for the No. 1 seed in the East and serve as a calling card for a playoff matchup. The question is: Do the Bulls still have it in them to rise to a bigger occasion?
    I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X
  • Dice
    Sitting by the door
    • Jul 2002
    • 6627

    #2
    Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

    Well, my dumb *** totally missed this article from today. Looks like Rose isn't possibly the only one concerned about Noah's play: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/47807...for-bulls.html

    NEW YORK — Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau never wants you to see him sweat. But his concern about Joakim Noah is starting to show.

    Noah’s subpar performance over the course of four games since returning from a sprained right ankle might be the biggest current threat to the Bulls’ hopes of meeting their No. 1 seed in the Eastern Conference and reaching the NBA Finals.

    The 6-11 center is averaging 5.5 rebounds in the four games, including four in 18 minutes in the Bulls’ 102-99 victory over the Orlando Magic on Sunday in Orlando. The most telling statistic from that game is the 18 minutes — a sure sign that Thibodeau’s level of concern over Noah’s health and production is reaching another stage. Thibodeau replaced Noah with Taj Gibson with 5:42 to play in the fourth quarter and Noah never returned.

    Thibodeau has been loathe to blame Noah’s ineffectiveness on his ankle injury. Asked about it after Noah had six rebounds in 23 minutes against the Celtics last week and he almost reflexively said, ‘‘He’s fine.’’

    He wouldn’t even acknowledge that he was babying Noah’s minutes. Noah did not play in the fourth quarter of that game, either.

    ‘‘That’s just the way the game was going,’’ Thibodeau said. ‘‘The group that was in there was playing well, so we stayed with them a little bit longer.’’

    But Thibodeau changed his tune a bit after Noah’s four-rebound, 18-minute performance against the Magic. ‘‘He’s got to do better,’’ Thibodeau said. ‘‘He’s capable. We need him. We need him to play better. And he will.’’

    At this point of the season, the Noah situation is veering toward the “should-he-play-or-should-he-rest” argument that blew up in the Bulls’ face last season with Noah’s plantar fasciitis. That was clearly a more problematic injury, but it was still worth asking Sunday whether Noah would be better off resting until the playoffs.

    ‘‘The thing you have to think about with him is he missed so much time all season [30 games because of thumb surgery],’’ Thibodeau said, ‘‘so he was just starting to get his timing back when he went down with the ankle injury.

    ‘‘Then there’s another week’s set back there [with the ankle]. He did a good job with his rehab, but I think it’s important for him to get some games under his belt before we head into the playoffs, so he’s comfortable with his game. And offensively he’s not where he was at the start of the season and we’re hopeful that he can get that back.’’

    The sooner, the better. The Bulls are 25-8 without Noah this season. But it’s a different game now. Noah’s effort on the court is contagious and the Bulls missed that Sunday. Noah didn’t have the energy he usually brings, and the Bulls followed his lead. With Noah going full-speed, the Bulls outrebounded the Magic and Dwight Howard 50-30 in an 89-81 victory at Orlando on March 4. They outrebounded the Magic 37-33 on Sunday, but the Magic had 16 offensive rebounds to only five for the Bulls.

    ‘‘The last game we played here, we rebounded the ball great and they had Howard,’’ Thibodeau said. ‘‘[Sunday] they spread us out and the only people on that board fighting for it were the Magic. If you don’t go into this game with a multiple-effort mentality .. they’re going to hurt you with the three or the second shot. In this case they hurt us with both.’’

    Noah’s injuries caused enough problems for the Bulls last season — most of the worst of it was not his fault. For some reason, the guy always seems to be in the middle of it. For the Bulls sake, it better not get any worse than it already is. A 60-win season is at stake.
    I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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    • 23
      yellow
      • Sep 2002
      • 66469

      #3
      Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

      I dont think anyone is calling him out. Noah has a big heart and he's not the kind to slack on his job, sure there is concern because of where they are in the season, but all contendors have concerns.

      One thing Noah doens't deserve to get called out on is being injured, and I understand they arent doing that here.

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      • Dice
        Sitting by the door
        • Jul 2002
        • 6627

        #4
        Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

        Originally posted by 23
        I dont think anyone is calling him out. Noah has a big heart and he's not the kind to slack on his job, sure there is concern because of where they are in the season, but all contendors have concerns.

        One thing Noah doens't deserve to get called out on is being injured, and I understand they arent doing that here.
        I don't think Rose is calling him out as being gutless. I think this is more of a wake up call to let him know that it's time to strap on his boots and it's time to play. Noah has proven that he can get the job done BUT I think a message is being sent out that it's time to play.

        The big concern is that when someone comes back from injury, you'd expect him to gradually get better. BUT it seems like he's getting worst each game he plays. So if he's still hurt, he doesn't need to be playing and needs either more time to rehab or rest.
        I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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        • 23
          yellow
          • Sep 2002
          • 66469

          #5
          Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

          If he was still injured thats up the coaches and team doctors to decide on.

          They need to monitor his minutes and work him back into the groove. Yes the time is shorter to do it but, that doesnt mean he wont need less time

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          • Graphik
            Pr*s*n*r#70460649
            • Oct 2002
            • 10582

            #6
            Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

            Time for Big Sexy to step it up in the post season.

            http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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            • travis72
              Banned
              • Aug 2009
              • 1491

              #7
              Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

              Originally posted by 23
              I dont think anyone is calling him out. Noah has a big heart and he's not the kind to slack on his job, sure there is concern because of where they are in the season, but all contendors have concerns.

              One thing Noah doens't deserve to get called out on is being injured, and I understand they arent doing that here.
              I have to agree with you 23 on Noah and I hate Noah more than any other player in the leaguee. I have hated the ugly *** bastard ever since he played for Florida in college. The one thing about him is he does have a lot of heart and gives his all when he plays and would not deserve to be called out.

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              • Altimus
                Chelsea, Assemble!
                • Nov 2004
                • 27283

                #8
                Originally posted by Graphik
                Time for Big Sexy to step it up in the post season.

                It was the PJ Brown signing for the Bulls. He's played great and brought that vet toughness.

                Sent from my HTC EVO

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                • HealyMonster
                  Titans Era has begun.
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 5992

                  #9
                  Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

                  Bulls already getting the excuses ready

                  GO PACERS!!!!

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                  • Altimus
                    Chelsea, Assemble!
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 27283

                    #10
                    Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

                    Originally posted by RiderGH
                    Bulls already getting the excuses ready

                    GO PACERS!!!!
                    No excuses, your Indiana team will find that out soon enough.

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                    • CanonRebelz
                      Rookie
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 22

                      #11
                      Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

                      The bulls are good, but not championship quality good. Joakim Noah and Boozer play awful defense and can't rebound, if they were to face the Lakers in the NBA finals, Pau and Bynum would have some fun..

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                      • wwharton
                        *ll St*r
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 26949

                        #12
                        Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

                        Originally posted by CanonRebelz
                        The bulls are good, but not championship quality good. Joakim Noah and Boozer play awful defense and can't rebound, if they were to face the Lakers in the NBA finals, Pau and Bynum would have some fun..
                        Are you basing that off one game? If you are, shouldn't you be talking about how horrible Pau is too? The Bulls did actually win (not justifying basing off of one game but if you are, kinda crazy considering, no?).

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                        • iAM-IncReDiBLe-
                          Next Miami Great
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 4285

                          #13
                          Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

                          Smh.........

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                          • Altimus
                            Chelsea, Assemble!
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 27283

                            #14
                            Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

                            Originally posted by CanonRebelz
                            The bulls are good, but not championship quality good. Joakim Noah and Boozer play awful defense and can't rebound, if they were to face the Lakers in the NBA finals, Pau and Bynum would have some fun..
                            Joakim plays awful defense and can't rebound?

                            I needed a good laugh this afternoon. That might be the most ludicrous thing I hear all Playoffs this year.

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                            • Shield
                              The Captain revived!
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 605

                              #15
                              Re: Is Derrick Rose indirectly calling out Joakim Noah?

                              It's just a motivation move.
                              Lakers | Michigan | Dodgers

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