Instant Replay in the NBA

**The 24th Letter** · 06-06-2011, 09:56 AM

Re: Instant Replay

traveling, fouls.....no.....I think there is a reason things like holding and pass interference arent reveiwable in the NFL

things like stepping out of bounds, backcourts, basket interference.......yes

**Weeks** · 06-06-2011, 09:56 AM

Re: Instant Replay

I would like some type of replay. It pains me when they make a questionable call then I see the replay and it's clear the call was wrong.

The thing though is that it would have to be quick and efficient so we aren't stopping the game every questionable call.

Because of that I think that a challenge system would work well. Something like each coach gets two challenges and if they win both then they get a third or something like that.

The only thing I wouldn't take from the NFL, is the part where you can't challenge with less then 2 min. Because in the NBA that is where it would be most crucial.

**ehh** · 06-06-2011, 09:59 AM

Re: Instant Replay

Not to mention Chalmer's half court shot should have been a backcourt violation since he wasn't established in the front court.

I'm a believer in getting something right at all costs so I'm all for instant replay and a challenge system. The problem is that something like travelling is basically akin to pass interference in the NFL in that it's a judgement call. Granted it shouldn't be but that's the way it is.

I can see a coach holding his challenge until the last play of a game which could hurt the 'entertainment' value that Stern loves. LeBron and Dirk both traveled in their game-icing/winning shots so would neither of those have counted? Granted they were different travels, LeBron blatantly changed his pivot foot twice while Dirk took an extra step, but do both huge plays get over turned?

If you tighten up the rule book and say you get 2.5 steps then fine, just keep things consistent. I'm more worried about the shuffling and switching of pivot feet like Pared mentioned with Kidd last night. But outside of travelling I think a challenge system is a no brainer. Goaltends, who a ball went OOB off of, backcourt violations etc.

What I really, really want are fines for flops. Every questionable play gets reviewed by the league after the game. $10k, $25k - whatever. Nothing has pissed me off about the league over the last decade more than flopping, it needs to be limited. Challenging a blatant flop would tough to do since it's also a judgment call, but at least look at it post game.

**Weeks** · 06-06-2011, 10:00 AM

Re: Instant Replay

They could have something like coaches get 1 challenge in the 1st half, and 1 in the 2nd half. But if they win there challenge in the 1st half then you get an additional one (so 2) in the 2nd half. Or if you don't use it in the 1st half you automatically get 2 in the 2nd half.

This way we wouldn't have coaches stopping play in the first quarter just to use there challenge.

**Drewski** · 06-06-2011, 10:08 AM

Re: Instant Replay

I think an Instant Replay system, with a very thorough guideline, can be a good thing.

What I Don't Want IR For

- Fouls
- Travelling
- 3 in the Key

What I DO Want IR For

- Foot Faults (Back-Court, Out of Bounds, 3 Point Line)
- Shot Clock Violations
- Out of Bounds calls

Travelling, fouls, and 3 in the key happen so often without being called (or being called wrongly when they are called) I think it would disrupt the flow of the game. To let things that happen commonly throughout the game be challenged seems non-productive. Sure, you can limit the challenges like the NFL does so to speak, but still.... leaving something like that to be challenged means coaches will save it for the fourth quarter typically in order to use it in a key moment (You can't tell me that a coach can't find someone travelling in late, crucial situations. It surely happens more often than not, and I'm okay with letting the players decide games, not the zebras.).

Things like a foot stepping out of bounds, being behind or in front of the 3 line, who the ball touched last in an out of bounds violation, things like that... I think they deserve a look. They're critical turn arounds, and these are things that the referees control more than the players. So the referees need to get these right, since it falls squarely on their shoulders.

**Weeks** · 06-06-2011, 10:08 AM

Re: Instant Replay

Originally posted by ehh

What I really, really want are fines for flops. Every questionable play gets reviewed by the league after the game. $10k, $25k - whatever. Nothing has pissed me off about the league over the last decade more than flopping, it needs to be limited. Challenging a blatant flop would tough to do since it's also a judgment call, but at least look at it post game.

Agreed.

10K for a flop. 15 flops= 1 Game suspension.

**Pared** · 06-06-2011, 10:09 AM

Re: Instant Replay in the NBA

Originally posted by The 24th Letter

traveling, fouls.....no.....I think there is a reason things like holding and pass interference arent reveiwable in the NFL

things like stepping out of bounds, backcourts, basket interference.......yes

Why wouldn't you want traveling? There are so many instances where a player (coughlebroncough) takes 3 steps or shuffles their feet and makes a shot that decides the outcome of a game. It ruins the legitimacy of the win and the value of the competition.

Again, a travel can only be reviewed if it results directly in a basket (or possible FT attempt, like Kidd last night).

I completely agree against challenging fouls. That is one area that shouldn't be touched b/c it is always subjective, by nature.

Originally posted by ehh

Not to mention Chalmer's half court shot should have been a backcourt violation since he wasn't established in the front court.

Another good example.

Originally posted by Weeks

They could have something like coaches get 1 challenge in the 1st half, and 1 in the 2nd half. But if they win there challenge in the 1st half then you get an additional one (so 2) in the 2nd half. Or if you don't use it in the 1st half you automatically get 2 in the 2nd half.

This way we wouldn't have coaches stopping play in the first quarter just to use there challenge.

Here is my reasoning for ONLY one challenge per game:

Basketball by nature is a fast-paced sport. I think the big opposition to IR is that this counters the speed and feel of the game. People are always saying, "let the player's play" because they don't want stoppages in play, they want action.

By allowing three possible stops per side, 6 total, it completely changes the flow of the game. I think with only 2 additional possible stoppages it doesn't hurt the flow as much.

Although coaches can use it essentially as an extra timeout win or lose, so I've been trying to think of a way around that with no success as of yet.

**SteelersFreak** · 06-06-2011, 10:11 AM

Re: Instant Replay

lol how can you pick out Kidd's travel as the big call that should be reviewed when Chalmers was obviously back court. But you're right there has to be some kind of replay system. The commentators commented that at the end of the game, there should have been more time on the clock. I seem to remember the end of one of the OKC/DAL games, when Jason Kidd called his timeout, there should've been more time added. What and when they replay things just doesn't make any sense to me.

**Weeks** · 06-06-2011, 10:19 AM

Re: Instant Replay in the NBA

Originally posted by Pared

Here is my reasoning for ONLY one challenge per game:

Basketball by nature is a fast-paced sport. I think the big opposition to IR is that this counters the speed and feel of the game. People are always saying, "let the player's play" because they don't want stoppages in play, they want action.

By allowing three possible stops per side, 6 total, it completely changes the flow of the game. I think with only 2 additional possible stoppages it doesn't hurt the flow as much.

Although coaches can use it essentially as an extra timeout win or lose, so I've been trying to think of a way around that with no success as of yet.

I don't know if this would work, but you get one challenge and during that time you aren't allowed to make any substitutions.

And then every other challenge you call after you lose a timeout.

Then the refs can challenge whatever they want, whenever they want.

23 · 06-06-2011, 10:30 AM

Re: Instant Replay in the NBA

They'll never use instant replay for travelling though

Its been allowed to go on in the NBA for too many years now

Its a lost cause to fight that one, its either they catch it or they dont

**Pared** · 06-06-2011, 10:39 AM

Re: Instant Replay in the NBA

Originally posted by Weeks

I don't know if this would work, but you get one challenge and during that time you aren't allowed to make any substitutions.

And then every other challenge you call after you lose a timeout.

Then the refs can challenge whatever they want, whenever they want.

That's actually not bad!

Originally posted by 23

They'll never use instant replay for travelling though

Its been allowed to go on in the NBA for too many years now

Its a lost cause to fight that one, its either they catch it or they dont

They said the same thing about IR in MLB.

I can have hope, right?

**WTF** · 06-06-2011, 10:47 AM

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There needs to be "something" done about the flopping. That flop by Wade where he was "pushed in the back" by Kidd was terrible. A lot of these flops are changing the game in BIG ways. It is ruining the game, point blank, period.

It's not just the heat. Every team does it. How do you stop it? That gif of Lebron getting "hit in the eye" by Rose, another prime example. It's making players beg and moan for calls when there is the least bit of contact because hey, if you can call a foul when I didn't get touched at all, I should get that call too, right?

The backcourt violation should have been reviewable. I told my wife real time, as soon as he caught the ball, that it was backcourt. And nobody said anything about it. The announcers at half time said that it was legal (really? really guys?) Of course later it comes out that it wasn't. If I caught it that easily, surely one of the highly trained referees know the rules well enough to call it, right? Instant Replay. Especially on plays at the end of the quarter/half that are so crucial to momentum.

The shuffling of the feet or "setting their feet" travels don't bother me AS much, just because it seems like everyone does it. But if they're going to call one, call them all. Seems to me like the rule book has gotten much more relaxed, and they aren't calling the things the way the book states. Or maybe the ones who they have enforcing the rules, don't know them well enough to do so. Hmmmm....

**Drewski** · 06-06-2011, 10:49 AM

Re: Instant Replay in the NBA

Originally posted by WTF

There needs to be "something" done about the flopping. That flop by Wade where he was "pushed in the back" by Kidd was terrible. A lot of these flops are changing the game in BIG ways. It is ruining the game, point blank, period.

It's not just the heat. Every team does it. How do you stop it? That gif of Lebron getting "hit in the eye" by Rose, another prime example. It's making players beg and moan for calls when there is the least bit of contact because hey, if you can call a foul when I didn't get touched at all, I should get that call too, right?

The backcourt violation should have been reviewable. I told my wife real time, as soon as he caught the ball, that it was backcourt. And nobody said anything about it. The announcers at half time said that it was legal (really? really guys?) Of course later it comes out that it wasn't. If I caught it that easily, surely one of the highly trained referees know the rules well enough to call it, right? Instant Replay. Especially on plays at the end of the quarter/half that are so crucial to momentum.

The shuffling of the feet or "setting their feet" travels don't bother me AS much, just because it seems like everyone does it. But if they're going to call one, call them all. Seems to me like the rule book has gotten much more relaxed, and they aren't calling the things the way the book states. Or maybe the ones who they have enforcing the rules, don't know them well enough to do so. Hmmmm....

As far as these flop calls, I agree it needs to be evaluated, but replay reviews is not the way to go about that. You'd need dthe referees to call the games differently, with a new set of guidelines for how they call fouls. It'd be hard, but I think it definitely needs a good, hard look.

**Pared** · 06-06-2011, 10:51 AM

Re: Instant Replay in the NBA

I agree about the flops as well. I just don't think IR is going to be the solution to that problem...

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