Instant Replay in the NBA

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Instant Replay in the NBA

It's getting to the point that the NBA should think about using technology to their advantage.

I don't know how they could do it, but surely there could be a way to find out who is travelling or who had not established themselves in the front court other than physically seeing it.

Last night was hilariously inept too. From the Kidd hilarious travel to the back court to...whatever the hell that was with LeBron.

Seriously though, what the hell was that with LeBron? Basically the refs admitted to NOT calling the travel but called the double dribble? That is ineptitude of the highest order.

Unfortunately, the only cure outside of technology would be for the NBA to fire refs, and we all know that won't happen.

[1Rose]

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It's getting to the point that the NBA should think about using technology to their advantage.

I don't know how they could do it, but surely there could be a way to find out who is travelling or who had not established themselves in the front court other than physically seeing it.

Last night was hilariously inept too. From the Kidd hilarious travel to the back court to...whatever the hell that was with LeBron.

Seriously though, what the hell was that with LeBron? Basically the refs admitted to NOT calling the travel but called the double dribble? That is ineptitude of the highest order.

Unfortunately, the only cure outside of technology would be for the NBA to fire refs, and we all know that won't happen.

Techincally it was both. The first move was a travel. Marion never touched the ball and he threw it to himself. They just missed the call. Then after he put the ball back down it was a double dribble. They were just late to call it, but it was the correct call for what happened after they missed the first one. Still ridiculous it took that long for SOMEONE in the arena to blow a whistle.

[WTF]

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Maybe they can have someone up in the booth overhead who calls fouls from a monitor

Perhaps the head official just sits in the booth and can overrule fouls that are called, or calls that are made. lol

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I remember a long time ago watching the Bulls play, someone passed the ball to BJ Armstrong who wasnt passed the halfcourt line, so BJ jumped over it, and caught the ball before his feet hit the floor

Now he was passed the halfcourt line but in the air, at the time he caught the ball.

Did they call anything or not?

Spoiler

they called backcourt on him

This is the exact same thing that happened to me a few years ago which is why I knew Chalmers' play was a backcourt violation right when it happened lol. I argued with the ref about that for like a solid 10 minutes.

[phenom1990]

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I would be more up for them putting a 4th ref of the court to help from missing so many calls.[/quote]

I am not for a fourth ref. Already on all levels of basketball there is a lack of quality refs, so adding additional refs to me is not the cure. Training refs better and in the NBA case, hiring younger ones could be better solutions to the issue. We already see plenty of instances where the ref who has the clear angle on the play not blow their whistle; but instead the ref who has a horrible angle to a play, blow their whistle and call a foul. So I don't think adding a 4th ref unless it was the challenge booth ref would help anything.

[YungTaco20]

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Flops need to be eliminated from the NBA completely. I've played soccer for over 15 years of my life, but I don't (and can't) watch soccer at all. The ridiculous flopping is one of the main reasons I can't stand watching international soccer games. Flopping is just un-American.

I would love to see fines for flopping, and suspensions for multiple offenses. It will man up the league and make the game fair at the same time. That's my 2 cents. Yungtaco, outtie.

[da ThRONe]

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I am not for a fourth ref. Already on all levels of basketball there is a lack of quality refs, so adding additional refs to me is not the cure. Training refs better and in the NBA case, hiring younger ones could be better solutions to the issue. We already see plenty of instances where the ref who has the clear angle on the play not blow their whistle; but instead the ref who has a horrible angle to a play, blow their whistle and call a foul. So I don't think adding a 4th ref unless it was the challenge booth ref would help anything.

While I agree the refs are poor and should be better period. I think having more people will result in a better officiated game. 1+ ref = less responsibility on each one which lead to less blown calls.

[ehh]

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Why don't we just go for the gusto and have six refs, one in each corner and one at the timeline on each side. None of 'em have to move.

[phenom1990]

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While I agree the refs are poor and should be better period. I think having more people will result in a better officiated game. 1+ ref = less responsibility on each one which lead to less blown calls.

See I'm afraid of letting more Joe Crawford's into the league and possibly more techs being called since refs would see players showing emotion even more.

[WTF]

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OH.. speaking of which, CONSISTENCY on those emotion foul calls. LBJ & Wade should have been T'ed up NUMEROUS times this series. Especially Wade jumping in the refs face the other night.

[NINJAK2]

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Why wouldn't you want traveling? There are so many instances where a player (coughlebroncough) takes 3 steps or shuffles their feet and makes a shot that decides the outcome of a game. It ruins the legitimacy of the win and the value of the competition.

Again, a travel can only be reviewed if it results directly in a basket (or possible FT attempt, like Kidd last night).

I completely agree against challenging fouls. That is one area that shouldn't be touched b/c it is always subjective, by nature.



Another good example.



Here is my reasoning for ONLY one challenge per game:

Basketball by nature is a fast-paced sport. I think the big opposition to IR is that this counters the speed and feel of the game. People are always saying, "let the player's play" because they don't want stoppages in play, they want action.

By allowing three possible stops per side, 6 total, it completely changes the flow of the game. I think with only 2 additional possible stoppages it doesn't hurt the flow as much.

Although coaches can use it essentially as an extra timeout win or lose, so I've been trying to think of a way around that with no success as of yet.

Disagree about fouls not being able to be challenged..primarily fouls regarding blocking/charging calls in the paint. For example-whether a defender has position established outside the dotted circle in the paint to be awarded the charge rather than a defensive foul.

The problem with the majority of fouls called are that refs call what they think happend more than what they actually see happen. That is why flopping is so effective in this league. For example the foul called on Kidd against Wade where Wade jumped in the air and flailed his arms on a rebound attempt. That foul I think was called by the ref standing out of bounds under the basket who had no vantage point to even see Kidd as Wade was directly in front of him. All he saw was the Wade flop and assumed a foul was committed. Replay showed that there was no foul.

The NBA has to find a way to curtail the flopping either with T's or loss of a 20 second time out or something. There is no legitimate reason for players to stop doing it if they don't get punished in some way and the act of doing it proves beneficial.

I think you got to give a team atleast two challenges or go the NFL route and if they win the 1 challenge they have, they earn another one..

[NINJAK2]

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While I agree the refs are poor and should be better period. I think having more people will result in a better officiated game. 1+ ref = less responsibility on each one which lead to less blown calls.

If you are going to have a fourth ref, put him/her on the sideline with a monitor and their own controllable camera so they can monitor everyone on/off the ball better.

[wwharton]

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I feel like the things that most agree on are already replayable. That half court debacle could've been reviewed, they just didn't do it. So maybe the best solution right now is actually use the technology that you have.

I think reviewing traveling goes down a slippery slope. Guys move their pivot foot all the time but it's usually just an exaggeration of a jab step or pump fake. Calling these to the letter would make the games unbearable. Guys taking 3 full strides is just ridiculous and refs should be embarrassed for not calling those. Then there are the ones in the middle like Kidd last night or James trying to get that foul on Deng at the foul line. It's just a slide of the pivot foot but it's necessary for the attempt to draw a foul. I don't know... I'd rather just deal with it like it is and have the refs stop ignoring the obvious crap that James does at least once or twice a game.

[TheMatrix31]

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Everything should be reviewable.

[Scott812313]

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OH.. speaking of which, CONSISTENCY on those emotion foul calls. LBJ & Wade should have been T'ed up NUMEROUS times this series. Especially Wade jumping in the refs face the other night.

Kobe and Dwight are the only star players that get T'ed up.....