CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

[da ThRONe]

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Anyone else see the irony in calling anything "mega lame"? Do people really say that?

How can you even try to use something for your argument that you clearly don't understand? I play all fantasy sports and love every one. But I can confirm that fanatsy basketball is BY FAR the least popular... always has been and always will be (unless we start including hockey and golf). Baseball is stats driven and roto baseball was big looooong before the fantasy sports craze started. Football is built for fantasy sports, which is why it's skyrocketed ever since someone decided to try the roto thing with football and it morphed to head to head, and all the other options out there now. Basketball isn't a blip on the radar... even if it's not "mega lame" as the cool kids are saying these days.

LOL would calling it lame be better. Was the "mega" part too much?

You don't have to like or understand something to know its profitable are has growth potential.

Just understanding how FF work I don't know how FB work with the current NBA season. I'm sure if there were symmetry in the an NBA season, and the over all popularity of the sport grew so would FB.

[da ThRONe]

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The NBA isn't going to cut 20 something games from it's schedule and somehow get a more lucrative tv deal out of it. The Lakers just signed a new local deal that's worth billions of dollars. I highly doubt they get a deal like that starting the season in friggin February playing twice a week. When are we going to stop trying to take what works for the NFL and throwing it on other leagues. The NFL gets things to work cause they can only play 14-16 games a year and even they want to add more to that cause it means more money.

Every other business in the world piggy backs and borrow what works from other businesses. Imagine if the idea for airing commercials was exclusive to one business how the world would be changed. Good business idea are always copied and those buisness that fail to adapt usally be extinct.

If the NBA can change their business model to something that makes the sport more "tv" friendly they should this new CBA could give them the opportunity.

[da ThRONe]

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Except a TV exec would point out the following to you.

1. Football is made for TV. The networks figured this out in 1958.

This in my opinion gets solved with reducing the games. It's for the sole purposes of making the NBA more tv friendly.

2. Roughly half of footballs audience is there strickly for gambling & Fantasy sports.

You don't think people would bet on hoops? Just like a more tv friendly league is easier to watch it's easier to gamble on.

3. The NBA has been on a TV model since signed it's first deal to televise live games on the USA Network in 1982.

That to me just means the system is out dated.

4. basketball was never as popular as you think on TV. 15-18% of TV households watched Jordan's NFL finals run in the 90's. regular season games on NBC were around 5%. The Magic Bird era was 3% for regular season games and 13-15% for the finals on CBS.

Once again basketball has always offered a ton of supply. My issue is the way they offer their supply IMO isn't effient any more. At one point leagues needed attendance now they don't. I will go a step farther and say relying on attendance will cripple growth.

4. The league that plays 162 and the other league that plays 84 games have seen there rating rise since the beginning of the decade. Golf and Nascar as well. The only sports in free fall are Basketball & pro wrestling.

I don't know much about Nascar, but isn't each individual race it's own event? Golf had Tiger Woods. And once again each tourney is it's own event right?

As far as Baseball and Hockey I don't think you'll see any significant growth with those season length.

5. If you were to pit Kobe/Lebron game 7 in the finals vs the finale of the batchelor. The Batcelor would win by no less then a 3-1 margin. Why? Because male 18-34 demo left primetime network a decade ago. Primetime belongs to women. Olympic coverage is a perfect example of this.

I don't know what kind of rating numbers "The Bachelor" is pulling in, but I doubt it would get higher numbers than a game 7 Kobe vs. LeBron I could be wrong. If the league streamline the season like I suggest I really think a game 7's in the Finals would start looking more like Superbowl rating numbers.

6. Hardcore sports fans hate this generation of players personally and professionally as well as the style of play.

And pretty much every causal fan I know dislike the 82 game schedule. For hardcore fans the quaility of the games would increase. Guys would be fresher year round, stars would be healthier and available a lot more often, players would have more time to work with position coaches, and teams would have more time to work or their schemes offensively and defensively. Everybody gets more skilled and fresher players in a season where each game is significantly more important.

7. College basketball has cratered as well. It only gains steam in the tourny and that is because of gambling.

College hoops are the prime example. Shorter season yes, but soooo many teams make it to post play it devalues the regular season. Imagine how much more viewed the regular season would be if only the conference winners made it the the post season tourney.

Not to mention the best players skipped college or now are one and done.

[da ThRONe]

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I wont stop going against this because you continue to post the same idea over and over

Its NOT going to happen, and thats not an opinion, thats a fact.

I'm being asked the same questions over and over. I'm just answering them. I have presented the attendance numbers showing that it's more profitable to be a sport that's popular than just a sport with a lot of games.

[wwharton]

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LOL would calling it lame be better. Was the "mega" part too much?

You don't have to like or understand something to know its profitable are has growth potential.

Just understanding how FF work I don't know how FB work with the current NBA season. I'm sure if there were symmetry in the an NBA season, and the over all popularity of the sport grew so would FB.

It's been a good 20 years since I was one of the cool kids so I don't know if lame is better, but I'd at least give that a pass, lol.

Trust me, I've been doing fantasy for all 3 major sports for about 15 years now. If basketball was going to make a splash it would've happened long before now. NBA.com has tried to follow the NFL in making their site more attractive to fantasy players and it doesn't matter. Even the MLB just hinted at changes and people are all over it. I love playing fantasy basketball, but I also realize it's just not for everyone and the gap in popularity between it and fantasy baseball and football is probably twice as big as the gap between the NFL and NBA in popularity.

Most importantly, they've got WAY bigger fish to fry than figuring out how to make fantasy basketball more relevant.

[da ThRONe]

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It's been a good 20 years since I was one of the cool kids so I don't know if lame is better, but I'd at least give that a pass, lol.

Trust me, I've been doing fantasy for all 3 major sports for about 15 years now. If basketball was going to make a splash it would've happened long before now. NBA.com has tried to follow the NFL in making their site more attractive to fantasy players and it doesn't matter. Even the MLB just hinted at changes and people are all over it. I love playing fantasy basketball, but I also realize it's just not for everyone and the gap in popularity between it and fantasy baseball and football is probably twice as big as the gap between the NFL and NBA in popularity.

Most importantly, they've got WAY bigger fish to fry than figuring out how to make fantasy basketball more relevant.

Maybe your right maybe FB is a lost cause. I think with a more popular sport with a stronger causal fan base maybe FB would pick up.

I'm sure I will love FF and become addicted to it. My best friend is and he's not nearly the sports fanatic I am. Then I'll have to do a SVP like 180. LOL.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Still beating this horse about the cutting of games crap huh...

[da ThRONe]

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People ask questions or make comments I just respond to their "crap".

[ProfessaPackMan]

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And yet you continue to dig around in the dirt trying to find something good that can come out of cutting games, but continue to pull out more crap. I mean you did pull out Fantasy Basketball(which I still don't get)as if cutting games is going to make people on in your words, "the casuals" care any more.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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“When we had Tariq Abdul-Wahad, he didn’t seem to want to train, didn’t really want to practice — he really was interested in a lot of things besides basketball,” the Dallas owner said, according to three participants who attended the meeting, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity. Cuban added Abdul-Wahad, the former player whose physical ailments sidelined him for a full two seasons while with the Mavericks, had a guaranteed contract of six years, $40 million. “And I’m stuck with that,” he said, the participants remembered
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A lawyer for the players’ union then shot back that J.J. Barea, an emerging spark off the bench for the Mavericks en route to their first NBA championship, was making a pittance of $1 million for his considerable talent. “How about that? You’re getting a bargain in a guy like J.J. Barea.”
Finally, NBA Commissioner David Stern could not take it anymore.
“All right, you want to go tit for tat, I’ll go tit for tat,” Stern said, according to the participants. “I’ll see you J.J. Barea and raise you Eddy Curry.”
A shot to the gut, just like that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/stale-contracts-provide-new-ammunition-in-this-nba-labor-battle/2011/08/24/gIQA06vScJ_story.html

[J_Posse]

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Why would teams cut down the schedule to 50 or 60 games? Wouldn't that just hurt, not help, them lose even more profit? Pro basketball will never be as pro football, it just has a much larger installed fanbase and reaches out to a much wider demographic in the U.S. The NBA needs to continue to bring in more international players and promote the sport even more overseas. That is where their growth potential can outpace the NFL, not here in the States and not by reducing the NBA season.

More contrived bull**** from the NBA owners. They understand when handing out many of these absurd contracts, and believe me I agree that many are unjustified, that they could inevitably be bad or poor decisions long term. They usually take that risk anyway knowing that it could hinder future opportunities or cripple the franchise completely. They need to practice far more self-restraint and offer contracts that are actually closer to market value. Or do people really think its reasonable to sign Gilbert Arenas (coming off of two knee surgeries), Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay and Rashard Lewis a combined (roughly) $500 million in current and future earnings? They already have a cap on how much many a Max player can earn, yet they still can't figure out how to lower spending within their own means. Instead, they expect the players to take the majority of the blame for bad contracts and give back more money. They need to stop lying to fans and blaming the players for their over spending.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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One thing I still don't get is Stern's refusal to create an NBA Films Library like how the NFL has and I don't think anyone can argue and say that hasn't helped get the NFL where it is today and how much $$$ that's generated for them as well.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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And pretty much every causal fan I know dislike the 82 game schedule. For hardcore fans the quaility of the games would increase. Guys would be fresher year round, stars would be healthier and available a lot more often, players would have more time to work with position coaches, and teams would have more time to work or their schemes offensively and defensively. Everybody gets more skilled and fresher players in a season where each game is significantly more important

Yea, you and I both know this ish is not true and would not be the case either.

[23]

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...ScJ_story.html

Cubes paid JJ what they agreed to

he did nothing wrong


Wahad is a bum that the NBAPA protects even with no grounds

[J_Posse]

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Cubes paid JJ what they agreed to

he did nothing wrong


Wahad is a bum that the NBAPA protects even with no grounds

Yet, Cubes offered that horrible contract to a middling player and now expects people to sympathize with his bad decision. He's made plenty of bad moves as far as contracts are concerned - he's even admitted in the past that it didn't bother him much - yet now he wants give backs from Branden Haywood, Eric Dampier and alike. **** off, Cuban.