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  • The15thunter
    MVP
    • Mar 2003
    • 1639

    #76
    Re: #8 Kobe>

    Originally posted by jeebs9
    Oh boy... I see where this is going....

    The number 8 Kobe was a wild sidekick. Sorry... yes he scored a bunch of points in that jersey. But he never was "The Man" to win a championship. 24# in my opinion, give up all points and started playing more team basketball. That's the number that will and should be retired.
    a wild sidekick? while he wasn't the refined basketball player he later proved to be as #24, #8 was a basketball wunderkind. let's not be hasty and prone to revisionist ways here, #8 is a hall of famer.

    if he had to pick one, he'd go with 24 because he did it on his own, so to speak, and because his game was more refined. but the number 8 will always belong to kobe bryant, as well.
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    • Scott812313
      MVP
      • Jun 2009
      • 1877

      #77
      Re: #8 Kobe>

      Originally posted by TheMatrix31
      A highlight reel? Maybe. That's just the point. Jordan and Kobe "look" like they can do the same things, so a highlight reel might give that type of effect. BUT once you dig deeper, and not even too deep, thats where you realize that they're not even close.
      Hyperbole at it's finest. Kobe is the closest player that any of us will ever see to MJ. From skill to heart and desire, noone other than Kobe is close.
      "In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That's Jim Tressel."

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      • TheMatrix31
        RF
        • Jul 2002
        • 52927

        #78
        Re: #8 Kobe>

        Originally posted by Scott812313
        Hyperbole at it's finest. Kobe is the closest player that any of us will ever see to MJ. From skill to heart and desire, noone other than Kobe is close.
        That's obviously my point. As "close" as Kobe is, Jordan was so much better that its not even close.

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        • jeebs9
          Fear is the Unknown
          • Oct 2008
          • 47568

          #79
          Re: #8 Kobe>

          Like I said a few pages ago. You just can't put Kobe's name near Jordan's name. Maybe Kobe's game has some similar things. I think he would need to win a NCAA championship, about 8-9 NBA rings with a boat of other awards lol. It seriously bothers me that Kobe has never shot over 50% in a season. He is just too good not too in my opinion.
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          • Drewski
            Basketball Reasons
            • Jun 2011
            • 3783

            #80
            Re: #8 Kobe>

            Originally posted by jeebs9
            Like I said a few pages ago. You just can't put Kobe's name near Jordan's name. Maybe Kobe's game has some similar things. I think he would need to win a NCAA championship, about 8-9 NBA rings with a boat of other awards lol. It seriously bothers me that Kobe has never shot over 50% in a season. He is just too good not too in my opinion.
            Hard not to knock Kobe for not shooting over 50%. For a guy with such a high basketball IQ, his shot selection is pretty lazy. There's absolutely no reason for him to have never shot over that mark.
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            • wwharton
              *ll St*r
              • Aug 2002
              • 26949

              #81
              Re: #8 Kobe>

              Originally posted by jeebs9
              Like I said a few pages ago. You just can't put Kobe's name near Jordan's name. Maybe Kobe's game has some similar things. I think he would need to win a NCAA championship, about 8-9 NBA rings with a boat of other awards lol. It seriously bothers me that Kobe has never shot over 50% in a season. He is just too good not too in my opinion.
              Originally posted by Drewski
              Hard not to knock Kobe for not shooting over 50%. For a guy with such a high basketball IQ, his shot selection is pretty lazy. There's absolutely no reason for him to have never shot over that mark.
              You mentioned this before jeebs, and I have to disagree again. This is yet another reason why Kobe shouldn't be compared to Jordan, as good as Kobe is/was. Jordan shooting over 50% considering the position he played and attention he got from defenses... and number of shots he took, it's pretty amazing. Doing it for his career is downright insane. No one should expect a shooting guard who is the focal point of the offense (and a jump shooter for the most part) to shoot over 50%. Over 45% I could see, and around 48% is impressive imo.

              Maybe I need to see a list of guys in similar situations that have shot over 50% even for a season or two to understand why this seems so strange (I haven't looked).

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              • jeebs9
                Fear is the Unknown
                • Oct 2008
                • 47568

                #82
                Re: #8 Kobe>

                I'm confused... It sounds like you agree with us wwharton.
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                • Drewski
                  Basketball Reasons
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 3783

                  #83
                  Re: #8 Kobe>

                  Originally posted by jeebs9
                  I'm confused... It sounds like you agree with us wwharton.
                  I think he agrees, but I think he disagrees that it's an indictment on Kobe. As in, Jordan did it, can we really expect someone else to achieve that?

                  /speaking for WWH while bored at work
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                  • jeebs9
                    Fear is the Unknown
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 47568

                    #84
                    Re: #8 Kobe>

                    Back when he wore number 8 and had Shaq on his team. Kobe took bad shots. I remember Tex Winter (Phil Jackson longtime assisant coach or right hand man). Would keep a stat sheet near him to fill in for every shot Kobe took. He would give "F's" for shots. Saying Jordan would get a few "F" in few games. While Kobe would rack them up. Getting 8-10 a games. I just feel Kobe could of won a lot more rings or games
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                    • Drewski
                      Basketball Reasons
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 3783

                      #85
                      Re: #8 Kobe>

                      Originally posted by jeebs9
                      Back when he wore number 8 and had Shaq on his team. Kobe took bad shots. I remember Tex Winter (Phil Jackson longtime assisant coach or right hand man). Would keep a stat sheet near him to fill in for every shot Kobe took. He would give "F's" for shots. Saying Jordan would get a few "F" in few games. While Kobe would rack them up. Getting 8-10 a games. I just feel Kobe could of won a lot more rings or games
                      The thing about Kobe - he takes shots he can make, albeit being overly difficlut. Because he can make them. He knows it, the D knows it, and we know it. He could pass some of those tough looks up, but generally he takes them beccause there's a pretty good chance it'll drop despite being a terrible shot to take. That said, I've cringed time and time again at his shot selection. I wish he'd take easier shots, not that it's easy to work against defenses geared to slow you down, but still...
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                      • The15thunter
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 1639

                        #86
                        Re: #8 Kobe>

                        i don't think kobe's taking of difficult shots has cost his teams rings. a game or two, sure, but the lakers have not lost an opportunity at a championship because kobe took bad shots.
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                        • Sam Marlowe
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 1230

                          #87
                          Re: #8 Kobe>

                          ^^^
                          The 2004 Piston gameplan was arranged around KB's shot selection. They conceded Shaq his points and banked on KB not adjusting his approach with multiple defenders attacking him (aside from Tayshaun Prince doing a hell of a job in single coverage). Larry Brown's gamble payed off. KB is arguably the best player of his generation (Shaq and Duncan are ahead of him in my book but Im not rigid) and thats where it stops.

                          Also, consider this. When Jordan made that comeback with the Wizards his performence was considered by most to be sub par at best. His numbers were something like 25 5 and 6 on 45 % shooting. Those are KB's career regular season averages. Kind of puts things in perspective.

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                          • Sam Marlowe
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 1230

                            #88
                            Re: #8 Kobe>

                            Also, on the numbers front

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                            • Sam Marlowe
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 1230

                              #89
                              Re: #8 Kobe>

                              Also on the numbers front. I dont think anybody would say #8 was a championship caliber leader. He was gun for hire like Phil Jackson says in his book. His immaturity sometimes outshined his game. # 24 is is the reason we see his name in the middle of some people's 10 GOAT lists.

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                              • Sam Marlowe
                                Banned
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 1230

                                #90
                                Re: #8 Kobe>

                                Wow, sorry for the double post. I cant edit anything, if someone can clean that up feel free.

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