2011 HOF Induction Thread

[LingeringRegime]

Surprised there is no thread for this.

Sad that Tex is just now getting in. Poor guy.

I can't wait for Rodman's speech, I will probably cry.

[AlexBrady]

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Rodman was an eight space rebounder and a smothering defender against small forwards, power forwards, and finesse centers. Could he shoot? No. But man could he pass, see the floor, and fill the lane. Well deserved.

Tex Winter's triangle offense was the foundation of eleven championship teams. Not to mention that he is a great man who never sacrificed his integrity. His enshrinement was long overdue.

Artis Gilmore was a great shot blocker and rebounder. However, he usually played too passive and finesse which is why he never won a Title.

Chris Mullin was a great shooter, period. His defense was abysmal which made his production a 1:1 ratio. For me, he isn't Hall of Famer.

Satch Sanders was a superior defender who could make open jump shots.

Arvydas Sabonis was a mountain of a man who could makes hooks, line drive jumpers, and pass. He was also one of the few guys able to move Shaq off his spot.

[Dice]

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I don't think any of the guys who are players deserve to be in. As much as I love Rodman and as great of a rebounder and defender he was in his career, being an impact on one side of the ball just doesn't cut it for me.

Love watching Chris Mullin as well but he's about the opposite of Rodman. All offense and no defense.

I saw Artist Gilmore at the tail end of his career so I cannot really comment on him.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I don't think any of the guys who are players deserve to be in. As much as I love Rodman and as great of a rebounder and defender he was in his career, being an impact on one side of the ball just doesn't cut it for me.

Antics, gimmicks, hair, etc aside, would you want him on your team.

Rodman is definitely a HOFer in my opinion. I think it's nuts to say he isn't.

[Dice]

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Antics, gimmicks, hair, etc aside, would you want him on your team.

Rodman is definitely a HOFer in my opinion. I think it's nuts to say he isn't.

Oh trust me. I loved the way Dennis Rodman played. And yes, your right. I'd have him on my team any day. BUT I'd like to have a guy like Tim Hardaway on my team as well. BUT he's not a HOF'er.

I don't let personal feelings cloud my judgment of who should be in the hall of fame. All the outside fans of basketball admired the antics of Rodman. As you stated, the dress, hair, or whatever crazy thing he was going to say and do. Of course that makes him more friendly to the TMZ-type people and gives him some leverage with the public.

Then you got the 'meatball fans' who like the hard nose style of play he brought to the table. Those fans who think that, if you work hard you can be the best...sorry don't buy into that. Being the best is more than working hard. ALL THE BEST PLAYERS WORK HARD. It's the work ethic plus talent that gets you to that elite level. Not to to say Rodman didn't have talent, just not all round talent. Offense and defense.

And people can run at me all day with the 'Rodman was a great passer' bit. Well guess what...he wasn't a point guard. So his passing really was a non-issue. He played on great teams that allowed him great options for passing, so try another one.

Rodman was a very good player. BUT he was never an elite player. That's all I'm saying.

[LingeringRegime]

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Sabonis was a monster. Loved his speech also, shortest ever I'm sure.

[Dice]

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Man, I wished I could have saw Gilmore in the 70's, during his prime. He looked like a beast. To bad when I started watching basketball that he was about washed up. And Alexbrady, Gilmore did win a title in the ABA.

[AlexBrady]

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Oh trust me. I loved the way Dennis Rodman played. And yes, your right. I'd have him on my team any day. BUT I'd like to have a guy like Tim Hardaway on my team as well. BUT he's not a HOF'er.

I don't let personal feelings cloud my judgment of who should be in the hall of fame. All the outside fans of basketball admired the antics of Rodman. As you stated, the dress, hair, or whatever crazy thing he was going to say and do. Of course that makes him more friendly to the TMZ-type people and gives him some leverage with the public.

Then you got the 'meatball fans' who like the hard nose style of play he brought to the table. Those fans who think that, if you work hard you can be the best...sorry don't buy into that. Being the best is more than working hard. ALL THE BEST PLAYERS WORK HARD. It's the work ethic plus talent that gets you to that elite level. Not to to say Rodman didn't have talent, just not all round talent. Offense and defense.

And people can run at me all day with the 'Rodman was a great passer' bit. Well guess what...he wasn't a point guard. So his passing really was a non-issue. He played on great teams that allowed him great options for passing, so try another one.

All the best players work hard? Charles Barkley, who was routinely out of shape? David Robinson, who never really improved his game in the off season? Walt Bellamy? Elvin Hayes? The list goes on. Interestingly, these players were all one dimensional.
Rodman didn't need to handle alot. His passing was crucial in executing the concepts of the triangle.

Man, I wished I could have saw Gilmore in the 70's, during his prime. He looked like a beast. To bad when I started watching basketball that he was about washed up. And Alexbrady, Gilmore did win a title in the ABA.

I know. I have always maintained that the ABA was a vastly inferior league. Essentially AAA Baseball compared to MLB.

[LingeringRegime]

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Awkward is an appropriate word right about now. Tex should have taken the mic from his son.

At least it was heart felt.

[RedSceptile]

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****ing Dennis Rodman LOL. Phil Jackson looking on like "this...Smh lemme shut up"

Why Dennis sound like he gargling gravel and looking like Ru Paul?

[Dice]

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All the best players work hard? Charles Barkley, who was routinely out of shape? David Robinson, who never really improved his game in the off season? Walt Bellamy? Elvin Hayes? The list goes on. Interestingly, these players were all one dimensional.
Rodman didn't need to handle alot. His passing was crucial in executing the concepts of the triangle.

I know Barkley early in his career got a lecture from Moses and Erving about his weight and work ethic. And when he took the advice to heart, he became an all NBA player for majority of his career. During his prime years, he would play 35+ productive minutes a game. Can't remember a time in his prime where he wore down. This dude did play with his heart on his sleeve and led the Suns to the NBA Finals in 1993.

David Robinson not improving is not an issue of work ethic. It's just a case of no one really coaching him to be a better player. If someone is shooting 5000 jumpers a day, you'd think he had great work ethic. And he goes out there and bricks all his shots and your wondering, 'Why is this happening?' Not realizing that this dude has been shooting those 5000 jumpers with the wrong form and technique. I don't care how hard you work, if your not working right it doesn't mean jack.

Never saw Bellamy play so I can't comment. I saw Hayes at the end but I did hear that he was selfish. Since I didn't see the era he played in during his prime I cannot comment if he was an elite player so I don't know.

The only thing I know about the ABA is that during the early 70's, the ABA was stealing away some of the top college players from the NBA. Mind you, the NBA did get the some of the top talent BUT majority of the guys coming out of college during the early 70's were going to the ABA. Guys like Julius Erving, Artist Gilmore, George McGinnis, George Gervin, Moses Malone, Bobby Jones, David Thompson. Compared to guys like Bill Walton, Clifford Ray, Austin Carr, Bob McAdoo, DOug Collins, Jamaal Wilks, Paul Westphal, Darryl Dawkins.

Looking at that list, I'm picking the ABA rookies over the NBA rookies for that stretch in the early 70's. And I haven't even mentioned the ABA stealing the NBA's top referres during that time as well, which improved their game. During the first year of the merger, half of the All-stars had ABA roots. SO to call the ABA inferior was kind of a stretch. I never saw them play BUT I'd be hard pressed to ignore these facts.

[LingeringRegime]

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Gotta love Rodman. I really hope that he will live a long time. Can't wait to see that documentary that Penny Marshall is working on. Very misunderstood much like Mike Tyson.

[Dice]

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Gotta love Rodman. I really hope that he will live a long time. Can't wait to see that documentary that Penny Marshall is working on. Very misunderstood much like Mike Tyson.

A documentary on Rodman? That's going to be interesting.

[LingeringRegime]

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A documentary on Rodman? That's going to be interesting.

Yeah, he just mentioned it during his speech. He says he hope to see it, if he doesn't die first.

[airjoca]

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Dennis Rodman is a HOFer, and an Elite player. I don't know how anyone can say otherwise. If you don't see what he brought to the offensive side of things, especially with the Bulls, then you weren't paying atention...