NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[The 24th Letter]

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seems like the tax issue is the only thing holding a deal back...

[Dice]

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If they **** this one up, I'm willing to bet you there will not be an NBA season. This is about as close they're going to get to a deal and if both parties can't get their heads out of their asses this time, you might as well cancel the season.

[aholbert32]

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seems like the tax issue is the only thing holding a deal back...

Too bad the tax issue is a "blood issue". The players will not accept anything that resembles a hard cap and the owners want something that has that effect. Here's hoping they can find a middle ground.

[da ThRONe]

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That won't happen as long as the players and owners are both willing to have a season.

That's something that really confused me about the players. They were more willing to give more in the BRI split than give to a hard cap system.

[tehova]

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seems like the tax issue is the only thing holding a deal back...

i got my fingers crossed

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[WTF]

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If there were hard caps, then they couldn't collude to have super teams with their buddys...

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Is it too late to fix the voting process for the All Star Teams as well?

Yea I know, wishful thinking lol

[aholbert32]

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Is it too late to fix the voting process for the All Star Teams as well?

Yea I know, wishful thinking lol

Thats not a CBA issue. The league controls that alone.

[aholbert32]

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That's something that really confused me about the players. They were more willing to give more in the BRI split than give to a hard cap system.

When you have a union thats controlled by superstars, the hard cap means alot more to them then the BRI. A Hard cap prevents superteams and caps superstars salaries even further.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yeah I know, that's why I said wishful thinking because I doubt they would waste time on that but I figured **** since you're working hard on the "small things" might as well take care of that too haha.

More like a hook a brother up type of deal lol.

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When you have a union thats controlled by superstars, the hard cap means alot more to them then the BRI. A Hard cap prevents superteams and caps superstars salaries even further.

I could honestly give 10 cents if these guys can get 3 superstars or higher salaries

These are the kinds of things I dont agree with them on of course...

..but its not like the love the game enough to go there so oh well

[da ThRONe]

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I think it's *** backwards of the owner to complain about losing money and competitive balance then push this amnesty thing.

[DukeC]

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Well if that is the case, then you wont have the same exact teams year in and out on tv going to the finals because some can afford more than others and 2...if they love the game so much they'll play for less or a chance to win

Then you'd end up with something similar to Baseball. Horrible TV ratings. Dudes would rather watch College Football than MLB playoffs in general. Why? Because the glamor teams aren't in it.

You have a situation where the Bobcats and T-Wolves are in the Finals...that is not good. Not good at all. Unless the NBA manages to manufacture more "superstars". I suppose they could hype Derrick and Kemba in that situation...

[Marino]

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Then you'd end up with something similar to Baseball. Horrible TV ratings. Dudes would rather watch College Football than MLB playoffs in general. Why? Because the glamor teams aren't in it.

You have a situation where the Bobcats and T-Wolves are in the Finals...that is not good. Not good at all. Unless the NBA manages to manufacture more "superstars". I suppose they could hype Derrick and Kemba in that situation...

I'd watch that NBA Finals.

[aholbert32]

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I think it's *** backwards of the owner to complain about losing money and competitive balance then push this amnesty thing.

Its not *** backwards at all. Here is the thing: There are 30 owners who are human. They are going to make mistakes and give out bad contracts whether there is an amnesty clause or not. I dont know how ANYONE could hate the amnesty clause. It gives the owners an opportunity to correct past contract mistakes and it gives players the opportunity to double dip. They get paid the entire old contract PLUS a new contract with another team. Thats way better than a team being force to keep Eddy Curry on the bench for 2 yrs just collecting money.

People love to kill the owners for bad contracts but thats all in hindsight. The two biggest current contracts that owners get killed on are Lewis and Arenas. In hindsight they look horrible. At the time, they looked like they overpaid but they werent horrible. Lewis was coming off three straight 20 plus point years and an all star appearance. Plus he was 25 at the time. Giving a max deal to a 20 plus point, 25 year old player isnt a horrible deal. What makes it horrible is that he regressed as a player.

I've already talked about the Arenas deal but at the time it wasnt a horrible deal either. No one knew that knee injury would keep him out for almost 3 yrs.

GMs are always going to make bad calls but I think allowing them to correct mistakes does a ton for competitive balance.