NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[OSUFan_88]

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WTF are you talking about? LOL

I don't generate the same kind of revenue the players do based solely on my skill to do whatever. I can't go to my boss demanding a raise because I'm easily replacable. They could bring in somebody to do what I do an operations would run just as smooth if not smoother depending on who they hire. Nobody goes to my company solely for my services. The company I work for customers don't know my name and couldn't pick me out of a line-up for a million dollars.My situation don't even compare to the players.

The idea that the individuals that are A) The workforce and the product that generates billions of dollars annually and B) In a union not having any leverage is ridiculous.

What is the good in the workforce generating billions of dollars if you are losing money.

And, mind you, who is going to end up paying these guys as much as the NBA does, or for that matter, give them the exposure to get those nice endorsement deals?

[The 24th Letter]

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Its actually the same argument on both sides over and over.....slide a little "yeah theyre both greedy" in there and continue with who you decide you want to blame....

while at the end of the day, either could end this tommorow by stopping the bull****

while im not going to tell my CEO that, im sure not going to say "you know what? decrease my salary by how much ever you want for the good of the company" with a smiling face either....

[WTF]

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And they can say, well until you decide to take the paycut, because our business isn't turning a profit and actually losing money, then we're just going to have to shut the doors. If you want to continue working at the company then you're going to have to make some sacrifices.

If you don't agree to the terms, then we're going to continue losing money, and chances are, we're going to start contracting and cutting some of the departments, causing your friend Bob to probably lose his job.

Hypothetically speaking anyway.

[King_B_Mack]

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Just wanna say I still have my doubts that a deal was ever available to be had. You don't lay out a threat about hidden bodies and talk tough for over two years about hard caps and all this other bull**** and then all of a sudden you "concede" all the stuff you were talking tough about and making threats over? We get all the way to the point of cancelled games before we finally decide a mediator is a good idea a week after cancelling games, then after spending two loooooong days negotiating and apparently making all this progress, Stern magically turns up with the flu and talks break down completely? This has been about breaking the union as it was said months/years ago was the intentions of the owners. 49-51 is the offer that was out there but they still refuse to even talk about anything else unless 50-50 is agreed to first? How is that good faith negotiating? Lock yourself into a number before you hear anything else?

At this point, I don't care anymore. I love hoops, favorite sport, but this is all bull****.

[King_B_Mack]

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And they can say, well until you decide to take the paycut, because our business isn't turning a profit and actually losing money, then we're just going to have to shut the doors. If you want to continue working at the company then you're going to have to make some sacrifices.

If you don't agree to the terms, then we're going to continue losing money, and chances are, we're going to start contracting and cutting some of the departments, causing your friend Bob to probably lose his job.

Hypothetically speaking anyway.

And then you go get a job elsewhere while they sit with they're doors shut. If you're important enough to have a salary big enough to be a drain on the company, then you'll get another job.

[The 24th Letter]

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You can tell that to your janitors maybe, not the employees who drive the business.....

Id love to see some "contractors" do their thing

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Yeah its the same deal over and over because he keeps bringing up the same argument no matter how many times its told to him over and over in different ways

The players have no leverage here, they wont even listen to a decert in the courts, so in all honesty, they're just losing money only to get less anyway

I dont care how much either of them loses but the punchline is, things wont remain the same, i dont care how many lies Derek Fisher tells the fans its all for them

[WTF]

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I honestly would not care one iota if they had "contractors" come in and do the job. Really wouldn't. The talent would be less for 2-3 years topps, and we'd start to see some new stars evolving. Ideal? No, but it's something that I wouldn't care about at all.

I'm in the camp that wants hoops, regardless of who's playing it. I'm literally looking for local hoops to go and watch. UK All-stars are taking on the villains soon... so I'll be at Rupp for that...

I just want hoops.

[The 24th Letter]

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Yeah its the same deal over and over because he keeps bringing up the same argument no matter how many times its told to him over and over in different ways

The players have no leverage here, they wont even listen to a decert in the courts, so in all honesty, they're just losing money only to get less anyway

I dont care how much either of them loses but the punchline is, things wont remain the same, i dont care how many lies Derek Fisher tells the fans its all for them

and I dont care how many lies the owners tell when they say the same.....I mean, it works both ways. look at the quote in your signature for goodness sakes LOL. like I said, back and forth.

and WTF, im glad you feel that way, but your in the minority.....the very, very small minority.....but im sure your ok with that, LOL

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and I dont care how many lies the owners tell when they say the same.....I mean, it works both ways. look at the quote in your signature for goodness sakes LOL. like I said, back and forth.

and WTF, im glad you feel that way, but your in the minority.....the very, very small minority.....but im sure your ok with that, LOL

Man that quote was definitely for my disdain for David Stern

I know they're both lying in the media but I never thought the owners were looking out for the fans in all of this... Now the players, they need to just quit the lying because its obvious they have the wrong guys leading the charge. How many times will Contradiction Billy contradict himself here

Main thing with them is this, Stern told Billy they wanted X,Y,Z and that they'd lock them out if need be to get it..that was up front

We see that here, but the liars on the PA side coming out then making the lower tier players be quiet while they negotiate their lively hoods away aint funny, as much as its not them thinking the fans are stupid and them saying they're doing it for us....

I honestly would hate to see it, but if they would cancel the entire season it would serve everybody who dont appreciate millions of dollars a year just right

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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At the next Union Press Conference, I want a reporter to ask Billy Hunter how much the Union is paying Adrian Wojnarowski.

Take a look at all his articles on the NBA lockout.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/expertsarchive?author=Adrian+Wojnarowski

I'm surprised Deadspin or The Big Lead hasn't called him out yet.

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We already know he hates stern and has been anti david the entire time

[da ThRONe]

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So if the players have 0 leverage why aren't the owners asking for 75% of the BRI and insisting on a flex cap? Are why are the even having discussion to began with? Stern could have walked in said "take it or leave it my clients don't need you guys or this NBA money" and walked out well before all these so called negotations ever started.

[OSUFan_88]

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So if the players have 0 leverage why aren't the owners asking for 75% of the BRI and insisting on a flex cap? Are why are the even having discussion to began with? Stern could have walked in said "take it or leave it my clients don't need you guys or this NBA money" and walked out well before all these so called negotations ever started.

Because it'd be just as easy to make them miss more money and make them desperate to get paid while the NBA owners get a system where they make MORE money.

75% is not out of the question if the Union keeps insisting on a 53% of the BRI. Which is why the Owners made a take it or leave it split yesterday and why Peter Holt said they "haven't suffered enough." The owners know they have them and now they are looking to crush them so the owners can make that extra money.

[RedSceptile]

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So if the players have 0 leverage why aren't the owners asking for 75% of the BRI and insisting on a flex cap? Are why are the even having discussion to began with? Stern could have walked in said "take it or leave it my clients don't need you guys or this NBA money" and walked out well before all these so called negotations ever started.

It's called etiquette. If you're being robbed the robber can shoot you just for the hell of it or strip you bare because they feel like it but they don't. The owners aren't stupid, they won't lower the BRI by too many extremes because at the end of the lockout those are the guys that are the draw of the league.