NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[TN3LL]

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AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
All 30 NBPA team representatives will meet today in New York. They have two options: accept NBA's offer or decertify. They'll vote on it.

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Source says Anthony Parker has been contacting fellow team reps, telling them not to accept the NBA's offer. Parker wants to decertify.

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Meanwhile, source says Kobe Bryant and Steve Blake among others are encouraging team reps to accept the NBA's offer. We'll see what happens.

[aholbert32]

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While I agree with the bold-ed part, my opinion is just based on what I think is right, not necessarily whats a fair balance between two sides.

I have seen too many instances where players play 'hard' on their contract year, bank on it, and then, never live up to it. Owners/Teams need some protection in this area.

Also, players may not want to go there, but a hard cap makes sense. While I agree that yes it will not make certain players go places, it will also assure if a Miami Heat situation occurs, those guys will all take SEVERE pay cuts.

Owners will have protection with the shortened guaranteed contracts and the amnesty clause. 4 yr max contracts can prevent a situation where guys like Lewis and Curry under perform for 4+ years. Under the new system if Lewis is still underperforming at year 3....you just buy him out and move on.

Under the new system, Lebron and Bosh would have had to take a year less to go to miami. Only the current team can offer an extra year, so Wade would have had a 5 year deal and Bosh and Lebron would have had 4. Wade's deal would be worth an extra 20 plus. This wouldve made guys like Lebron and Melo think a little bit before leaving to go somewhere else.

[Kashanova]

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While I agree with the bold-ed part, my opinion is just based on what I think is right, not necessarily whats a fair balance between two sides.

I have seen too many instances where players play 'hard' on their contract year, bank on it, and then, never live up to it. Owners/Teams need some protection in this area.

Also, players may not want to go there, but a hard cap makes sense. While I agree that yes it will not make certain players go places, it will also assure if a Miami Heat situation occurs, those guys will all take SEVERE pay cuts.

it also makes it hard for certain teams to keep their star players, chicago might not be able to keep rose, Boston might not be able to keep Rondo. I don't think a hard cap works in basketball, I also think contracts should be guaranteed with the the length of the contracts being shorter. I think if a player performs well enough to earn the contract then he should be paid. The owners need to be smarter with the contracts they give away. There should be a system that categorizes the players that enter free agency something like baseball has like type A free agents and only certain kind of players can get certain contracts.

[aholbert32]

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AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
All 30 NBPA team representatives will meet today in New York. They have two options: accept NBA's offer or decertify. They'll vote on it.

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Source says Anthony Parker has been contacting fellow team reps, telling them not to accept the NBA's offer. Parker wants to decertify.

If players listen to Parker they are dumb. Unlike them, he has no problem playing in Europe.

[Kashanova]

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Alex Kennedy: Meanwhile, source says Kobe Bryant and Steve Blake among others are encouraging team reps to accept the NBA's offer. We'll see what happens.

I could see Kobe wanting to play, He's not getting any younger and his window is closing fast.

[cjonesfan921]

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Owners will have protection with the shortened guaranteed contracts and the amnesty clause. 4 yr max contracts can prevent a situation where guys like Lewis and Curry under perform for 4+ years. Under the new system if Lewis is still underperforming at year 3....you just buy him out and move on.

Under the new system, Lebron and Bosh would have had to take a year less to go to miami. Only the current team can offer an extra year, so Wade would have had a 5 year deal and Bosh and Lebron would have had 4. Wade's deal would be worth an extra 20 plus. This wouldve made guys like Lebron and Melo think a little bit before leaving to go somewhere else.

I do like the changes, trust me. However, I am so behind the non-guarantees and the cap that I can't be swayed!!!!

I would love a season though, and, under the current deal, it would be an improvement.

[RedSceptile]

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While I agree with the bold-ed part, my opinion is just based on what I think is right, not necessarily whats a fair balance between two sides.

I have seen too many instances where players play 'hard' on their contract year, bank on it, and then, never live up to it. Owners/Teams need some protection in this area.

Also, players may not want to go there, but a hard cap makes sense. While I agree that yes it will not make certain players go places, it will also assure if a Miami Heat situation occurs, those guys will all take SEVERE pay cuts.

If I recall correctly LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are doing just that: taking severe pay cuts considering the contracts (especially Wade because of his Bird Rights) they could have signed if I recall correctly they're giving up in the realm of 15 million + over the life of the context.

[TN3LL]

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AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Another idea suggested by players: Threaten not to sign with hardline owners like Jordan, Sarver and Gilbert in the future.

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
I doubt many players would follow through; they'll follow the money. It has been discussed though, because it could scare hardline

[CMH]

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AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Another idea suggested by players: Threaten not to sign with hardline owners like Jordan, Sarver and Gilbert in the future.

That's what they say now.

I can find examples in other sports where players and agents said the same thing and suddenly when the team offered more money, they were fans since 8 years of age.

[23]

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Well Ill tell you one thing, they can't all play for the same team

These are dumb suggestions

Anthony Parker wants a decert and a season all in one

Somebody get this man educated fast

[The 24th Letter]

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I would love to see it though, a big **** you right back to the "hard liners"

[TN3LL]

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I'm really starting to dislike Mr.Parker lol

[23]

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I would love to see it though, a big **** you right back to the "hard liners"

That makes no sense though because decertification wont help them.. it might give them a .5% chance from .1% but I mean, thats just ignorant pride to do that just to spite, then end up really screwing yourself on top of it all

[cjonesfan921]

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If I recall correctly LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are doing just that: taking severe pay cuts considering the contracts (especially Wade because of his Bird Rights) they could have signed if I recall correctly they're giving up in the realm of 15 million + over the life of the context.

In this new CBA though, the CAP would limit Mia from bringing much of anything. Again, unless a lot of older vets, which is the case this year too, take a huge cut as well. The way it works now, you can still bring in players if you are over the cap, for the league min.

[TN3LL]

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daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Players' team reps meeting started around 1:45, about 45 mins late.