NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[aholbert32]

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That's why I was a huge proponent of, however unrealistic it was, just shutting the league down for 2 years and sorting EVERYTHING out. Just reshuffle everything like the NHL did. New CBA, officials, rules, priorities, competitive balance issues, this and that. Too bad that's not gonna happen.

That would DESTROY the NBA. That one year missed by the NHL almost killed the sport and you want 2?

[TheMatrix31]

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That would DESTROY the NBA. That one year missed by the NHL almost killed the sport and you want 2?

Yeah, I don't know. I think the NHL came out stronger by it. I don't know the financials of it, but they have lots of new fans, including myself.

If the NBA broke some eggs to make an omelette, then who knows. I know it wouldn't fly, that's why I said "however unrealistic it may be" lol.

As for Stern v. Silver, that's interesting. Kinda what I think about Fisher knowing he's gonna retire soon and Hunter realizing he's probably not going to be around much longer.

[Taur3asi3]

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Stern v Silver is a great point, I agree. That's an angle I hadn't considered until you mentioned it but it does make sense. I wonder how much longer Stern is willing to fight it though before he gives up and we have no season.

I wonder if Stern wishes he had Russ Granik back.

[TN3LL]

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AschNBA Steve Aschburner
Room 4 presser 4 post-NBA labor mtg getting shared 2day. Told due only to tight hotel space. But six is a lot of mikes at head table.

[aholbert32]

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Stern v Silver is a great point, I agree. That's an angle I hadn't considered until you mentioned it but it does make sense. I wonder how much longer Stern is willing to fight it though before he gives up and we have no season.

I wonder if Stern wishes he had Russ Granik back.

I thought about it this morning when I heard Silver harping about "competitive balance". Then I thought back to the press conference when it was just Silver and Holt and it was the same thing. Then I realized I dont think I've ever heard Stern talk about that. Stern has been primarily about the money.

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I'm starting to realize that this is basically a war between Stern and Silver. Hear me out.

Stern knows this is his last CBA so he just wants a deal to be made. He got the owners the 350 mil a year in givebacks they wanted and he is willing to give in to some players demands to get a deal done. He doesnt want a missed season on his watch.

Silver is hoping to be the next commish after Stern and he knows that if he gets the job, he has to deal with these owners and negotiate future CBAs based on this one. He (and the small market owners) are trying to get the most that they can right now. Even if it means missing a season. If they miss a season, Stern will be the one catching the blowback....not Silver.

I dont know man... Stern can't jeporadize the NBA's future just because he doesn't want to go off the scene without just getting any kind of deal done

Sounds too sloppy to be the case

[aholbert32]

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Yeah, I don't know. I think the NHL came out stronger by it. I don't know the financials of it, but they have lots of new fans, including myself.

If the NBA broke some eggs to make an omelette, then who knows. I know it wouldn't fly, that's why I said "however unrealistic it may be" lol.

As for Stern v. Silver, that's interesting. Kinda what I think about Fisher knowing he's gonna retire soon and Hunter realizing he's probably not going to be around much longer.

The NHL came out stronger because of the on ice changes more than the financials. It also helped that two superstars (Ovie and Crosby) came out in back to back drafts. 2 seasons missed would be unprecedented and would change basketball for the worst no matter of a hard cap.

The competitive landscape is different than it was in 1998. In 98', I was dying when the NBA was locked out. No basketball, no internet for me at the time, 40-50 channels on cable and not a ton of other sports to choose from.

Now, its totally different. I'm a hardcore fan and a season ticket holder and I barely felt anything about missing the first week of the season. The only time I thought about it was when I was at the Jay-Z/Kanye concert at Verizon, looked at my Wizards seats and said "Oh ****, Opening night would have been yesterday". Then I went back to watching the show.

My point is if you go away for 2 years it will take 5-10 to get back to where you were and maybe more. Even with no NBA, I have football, college basketball and the UFC to entertain me sports wise. The league isnt as important as it was anymore.

[aholbert32]

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I dont know man... Stern can't jeporadize the NBA's future just because he doesn't want to go off the scene without just getting any kind of deal done

Sounds too sloppy to be the case

He doesnt (and I dont) think he's jeopardizing the league future if he does what he needs to do to get this deal done. This is what gets the deal done:

50/50, increased luxury tax, amnesty clause, sign and trades for every team, reduced repeater tax and same MLE for every team.

I dont think this puts the league in jeopardy at all. Financially every team is guaranteed to make money. The players are satisfied with the system. As much as the league wants "competitive balance", revenues have always been better when big city teams and stars are in the playoffs/finals. I dont know if the NBA is being 100 percent honest about truly wanting a balance.

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I think the less attractive teams want more of a balance, but im sure its a mix. While a guy like Sterling could care less about winning than money, Buss doesnt care one way or the other since he's in LA as well.

I dont know if Stern and Silver are completely concerned about competetive balance but I will say its needed in the NBA badly. Not just because of the LeBron fiasco, but at the same time, the L is obviously not surviving with the same 4 teams on tv every night anymore.

The biggest problem is how the league went from being about basketball to just all about money. The quality from the networks to the players to the fanship have gone down ever since. That needs to be taken into consideration when talking about fixing the things going on. I dont think all of the owners are greedy but some definitely are (some dont need to be)

The players... these guys dont care about competition anymore. They care about themselves, money and playing with other stars now, and thats it

[l3ulvl]

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Reading your guys' posts makes me question any optimism of a deal today, or in the near future. We have Stern vs Silver, Owners vs Owners, and the whole player union seemingly against itself. Any resolution would be a miracle. It would be interesting if the players took a step back and allowed the owners & commish to debate amongst themselves while secretly plotting their next move. Well, as long as that next move isn't decertifying

Seriously though, what a drama fest this has become. It's time to act like grown men and come together and get this done. Do it for the fans, you know, the ones that allow the league to exist in the first place.

[da ThRONe]

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I'm starting to realize that this is basically a war between Stern and Silver. Hear me out.

Stern knows this is his last CBA so he just wants a deal to be made. He got the owners the 350 mil a year in givebacks they wanted and he is willing to give in to some players demands to get a deal done. He doesnt want a missed season on his watch.

Silver is hoping to be the next commish after Stern and he knows that if he gets the job, he has to deal with these owners and negotiate future CBAs based on this one. He (and the small market owners) are trying to get the most that they can right now. Even if it means missing a season. If they miss a season, Stern will be the one catching the blowback....not Silver.

Interesting concept.

[da ThRONe]

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Yeah, I don't know. I think the NHL came out stronger by it. I don't know the financials of it, but they have lots of new fans, including myself.

If the NBA broke some eggs to make an omelette, then who knows. I know it wouldn't fly, that's why I said "however unrealistic it may be" lol.

As for Stern v. Silver, that's interesting. Kinda what I think about Fisher knowing he's gonna retire soon and Hunter realizing he's probably not going to be around much longer.

What would be the point of the 2nd year?

[TN3LL]

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NBATV NBA TV
The NBA & NBPA are making progress during today's negotiations. @daldridgetnt has the latest update. http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nb..._updatev2.nba/

[TN3LL]

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SherrodbCSN A. Sherrod Blakely
These negotiations between #NBA and #NBAPA playing out just like D. Fisher said they would. The last few hurdles, hardest to get past.

[TN3LL]

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Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
owners were so upset by Tuesday's player press conference that they nearly refused to meet b4 Wed's deadline. Stern must've calmed them down