NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[bigeastbumrush]

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It just sounds more and more like very educated men taking advantage of uneducated men.

And not saying uneducated is equivalent to stupid but it is equivalent to ignorance. The players aren't litigators.


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Kevin Durant stopped in on the Texas/Rhode Island basketball game today that Mike Breen and Jeff Van Gundy were commentating.

Breen asked KD how informed he was of all the proceedings.

He said the players were very informed. He said they got lengthy emails on everything on a daily basis.

That makes me feel that the players really didn't give a damn what was going on...until it was too late.

You're a multi-millionaire, sneaker deals, other endorsement deals, charity games, pickup games, flag football games, etc.

Which one of the players actually would really take the time out to read through the details to understand what was going on? Not many I'd assume.

I think it was more along the lines of the players around the league being told time and time again by Hunter and Fisher that "we've" got your best interest at heart, trust us in these negotiations, the owners are screwing you, the guys before you got 57% (or whatever the number was), they're taking you for idiots, etc, etc.

The majority of players probably sat back, enjoyed their summer and trusted that they were being fairly represented. Until it got too close to the start of the season and then it became #standunited rather than speak your mind and really ask questions of what's going on.

[Mintsa]

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Question.....lets say the owners came back with a revised proposal for the players in the next week or so. Can the players entertain and vote on the revised proposal ?

Or because the players filed the lawsuit nothing like that can happen anymore because it's in the courts hands now ?

[WTF]

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The owner's won't, can't really. They're dissolving the union, so they have nobody to negotiate with.

The owner's are not going to move off of this offer. The other offers coming down the pipeline will be much more poor.

I think in the court's eyes now, the judge should look at it, and ask the NBAPA if they allowed the players to vote on it themselves, to see if they would have taken the deal, if they thought it was a "fair enough" offer.

If the NBAPA says no, that we let the Team Reps vote, and that's it... dismiss it

[OSUFan_88]

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The owner's won't, can't really. They're dissolving the union, so they have nobody to negotiate with.

The owner's are not going to move off of this offer. The other offers coming down the pipeline will be much more poor.

I think in the court's eyes now, the judge should look at it, and ask the NBAPA if they allowed the players to vote on it themselves, to see if they would have taken the deal, if they thought it was a "fair enough" offer.

If the NBAPA says no, that we let the Team Reps vote, and that's it... dismiss it

That's not entirely true. The owners could go into negotiation with the Hunter as he head of the trade association. The players would have to recertify and accept the deal, though.

[ggsimmonds]

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Question.....lets say the owners came back with a revised proposal for the players in the next week or so. Can the players entertain and vote on the revised proposal ?

Or because the players filed the lawsuit nothing like that can happen anymore because it's in the courts hands now ?

I don't believe so. My understanding is that because the NBAPA dissolved it is no longer capable of collective bargaining. As far as I know it is in the courts hands now. Though I do think players can individually agree to terms.

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Kevin Durant stopped in on the Texas/Rhode Island basketball game today that Mike Breen and Jeff Van Gundy were commentating.

Breen asked KD how informed he was of all the proceedings.

He said the players were very informed. He said they got lengthy emails on everything on a daily basis.

That makes me feel that the players really didn't give a damn what was going on...until it was too late.

You're a multi-millionaire, sneaker deals, other endorsement deals, charity games, pickup games, flag football games, etc.

Which one of the players actually would really take the time out to read through the details to understand what was going on? Not many I'd assume.

I think it was more along the lines of the players around the league being told time and time again by Hunter and Fisher that "we've" got your best interest at heart, trust us in these negotiations, the owners are screwing you, the guys before you got 57% (or whatever the number was), they're taking you for idiots, etc, etc.

The majority of players probably sat back, enjoyed their summer and trusted that they were being fairly represented. Until it got too close to the start of the season and then it became #standunited rather than speak your mind and really ask questions of what's going on.

That's funny because the article a few pages back, Big Baby said when they asked about anything all they would do is say "come to the meeting" they didnt tell them anything

Im not sure what was on the lengthy emails that Durant is talking about, but whatever was said sure didnt come from the players as informed because they had ZERO credibility when they talked because they were either mentioning things that werent in the deal, or completely said something opposite that was right there plain as day for all of us to see

All I know is Billy Hunter has been up to some shady stuff and its not because of the offer that the NBA was giving. This guy has been a trickster towards his own members...

Emails... come on man, whats at stake here and they can send and ask for guys to sign decert letters but when looked at to be informed or for a vote on the deal all they get is an email (if thats even true)

This guy is a rat right along with Kessler

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Sorry about the broken link...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/09/07/nba.lockout.talks.billy.hunter/index.html#ixzz1dpPXqWbP

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ESPNLA.com invited an NBA veteran to anonymously share his thoughts about the state of the lockout and the decision to file a disclaimer of interest.

Q: Did your team representative bring the latest owner's proposal to you and your teammates for a vote before the decision was made today?

They didn’t bring it to us [as a team] for a vote. They [the player representatives in New York] voted. Just the reps voted.

Q: What would you have done if you had a chance to vote? Would you have said, ‘Yes’ and accepted?

I don’t know [the details of] the last deal on the table. I heard that it was a bad deal, so, no, I probably wouldn’t have accepted it. I heard it said rookie [contracts] would go five years …

I heard they agreed on a 50-50 [basketball related income split] so the only problem was the system.

Q: So that deal never made it into your hands for review?

They might have e-mailed it to me. I saw it somehow.

Q: What do you think happens now?

I don’t know what the f---. Your guess is as good as mine. This is the last s--- I would want to do. I ain’t signing no decertification papers or nothing like that. This is crazy.

Right now they only need 30 percent [of the players’ votes for decertification] and then that will go 45 days and that’s when everyone will get to vote. Right now they only needed 30 percent to start the process and then I think 45 days later is when everyone will have to vote.

Q: Were you on the decertification call that Paul Pierce and Tyson Chandler reportedly organized a couple weeks ago?

No, not that one. But I guess every agent had their own one so I was on one with [my agent] and a couple of people. Pretty much everybody had that talk. I was hoping we wouldn’t get to that, but …

Q: You still have guaranteed money in your contract and that could become null and void now, right?

Yup.

Q: Derek Fisher said it was a unanimous decision by the players today. It doesn’t sound like you agree.

It was probably unanimous for all the reps, and I guess that’s what we elect them for, to make those decisions. If all the player reps made it unanimous and agree it was that bad of a deal, I mean, it’s probably that bad of a deal. I know it sucks for the people like me.

People are saying if you go on you’re losing this, you’re losing that and if you sign now you’re making this, but what they don’t realize this is bigger than you. This is bigger than me. I think I owe it to the people before me that allowed me to make this money that I’m making now, the sacrifices they made. For me, if I’m making the sacrifice and I’m losing [millions of dollars], I’m sacrificing this it means I’m bigger than what I’m getting. This is for maybe my son. Or future players behind me.

Q: That is a great sentiment. It’s one thing to say it, but to actually sacrifice millions of dollars, that doesn’t seem like a worthy proposition.

No, I hear you. I’m not going to lie. It sucks. It sucks, but I mean, there’s people that sacrificed a lot more than what I’m sacrificing right now for me to be where I’m at. From players that were the first black players and things like that, there were people who made a lot more difficult sacrifices than what I’m making right now.

I feel fortunate that I was able to play [as long as I have] and save up a nice sum of money. So, that’s one positive. Even though I would really love to have [those millions] coming in, I’m not really going to be strapped for cash looking for the next check or struggling to pay my bills. So, that’s one good thing I can take out of this.

Q: What’s the thought of Billy Hunter right now amongst guys you’re talking to?

Most of the people I know, they just want to play. Especially the guys that already have deals in place. But, I mean, the one thought is that maybe we should have done this [filed the disclaimer of interest] earlier. I guess it was trying, trying too much to negotiate when we should have done this earlier. I think that’s the one problem people are having right now [with Hunter].

Q: Does going overseas now come to the forefront of your mind?

I don’t know. Like I said, I really, really don’t need to go over there for money or anything like that. Maybe if the right opportunity presents itself in the right place, I’ll give it some thought. But right now I’m just going to enjoy time with my family, I guess.

Hopefully we’ve got a snowball’s chance in hell that maybe the owners will feel the burn and we can get a deal. Other than that, I think there’s nothing else I can do but sit here and hope. Like, I’ve been hoping the whole time that we would not get to this point. But that hasn’t gotten me anywhere because we’re at this point.

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/...on-player-x-qa

[bigfnjoe96]

It just sounds more and more like very educated men taking advantage of uneducated men.

And not saying uneducated is equivalent to stupid but it is equivalent to ignorance. The players aren't litigators.


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[aholbert32]

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Question.....lets say the owners came back with a revised proposal for the players in the next week or so. Can the players entertain and vote on the revised proposal ?

Or because the players filed the lawsuit nothing like that can happen anymore because it's in the courts hands now ?

Everybody needs to let that go. No new offer is coming in the next few weeks. That ended the minute the players filed the lawsuit. I've handled hundreds of civil lawsuits and when the opposing side files a lawsuit, you don't respond back with an offer unless there is a slim chance your side will win or if your client is struggling with money and its cheaper to settle.

Neither one of those situations occurred here. The owners think there is a great chance that they will survive summary judgment. The owners honestly don't care if there is a season or not. The owners have plenty of money to support a lawsuit. They will file an answer in both lawsuits and defend the suits until the courts order them to go to mediation. That process will take at least 60 days.

Even if the owners did make a new offer, Kessler and Hunter wouldn't accept it. They aren't done making enough money off this lockout.

[Bondgirl0072]

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I really hope this gets settled outside the courtroom.

[BlueNGold]

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Q: What do you think happens now?

I don’t know what the f---. Your guess is as good as mine. This is the last s--- I would want to do. I ain’t signing no decertification papers or nothing like that. This is crazy.

Right now they only need 30 percent [of the players’ votes for decertification] and then that will go 45 days and that’s when everyone will get to vote. Right now they only needed 30 percent to start the process and then I think 45 days later is when everyone will have to vote.

Oh, hey Kevin Garnett.

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That's not harsh enough to be KG

[Kashanova]

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That's not harsh enough to be KG

I think its Kobe.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Q: Did your team representative bring the latest owner's proposal to you and your teammates for a vote before the decision was made today?

They didn’t bring it to us [as a team] for a vote. They [the player representatives in New York] voted. Just the reps voted.

Q: What would you have done if you had a chance to vote? Would you have said, ‘Yes’ and accepted?

I don’t know [the details of] the last deal on the table. I heard that it was a bad deal, so, no, I probably wouldn’t have accepted it. I heard it said rookie [contracts] would go five years …

I heard they agreed on a 50-50 [basketball related income split] so the only problem was the system.

Q: So that deal never made it into your hands for review?

They might have e-mailed it to me. I saw it somehow.

Does not sound like Kobe at all since he was one of the few pushing this to get done.