NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion
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Great post man. The only thing I disagree with is the courts wont bail the NBAPA out. They will be stuck in court for a year and the still end up with less than 50%.Comment
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I think everyone is blowing this "revenues are going down" thing out of proportion. I say take it with a grain of salt. I don't doubt that teams are losing money not at all, but not at this apparently catastrophic state as being stated. If anything judging from what I've researched this CBA is all about making sure that once the new T.V. deals etc. roll around in 5 years the players are stuck at a fixed earning rate while the owners receive the majority of the profits. I personally believe that's why so many of the talks allude to this and many economists point this out as well.
Not to mention I think it's fair to say that the salary rollbacks as well as hard cap and non-guaranteed contracts were a given to never occur in the first place so the owners seem like they're making "concessions" and notice how Stern still leaks to the media the dealings of the talk even when previously agreed to keep things hush hush? It's genius yet underhanded tactics that skew public perception completely in the way of the owners so people just go "Man they're so stupid" when we admittedly don't know the exact going ons. The owners don't really want to negotiate they want to crush the players and get as much as they possibly can even using the media and public perception to their advantage. Well played.Comment
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That's what I'm saying as well. I'm surprised the agents which some are lawyers in one way or another don't see this.Comment
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I think everyone is blowing this "revenues are going down" thing out of proportion. I say take it with a grain of salt. I don't doubt that teams are losing money not at all, but not at this apparently catastrophic state as being stated. If anything judging from what I've researched this CBA is all about making sure that once the new T.V. deals etc. roll around in 5 years the players are stuck at a fixed earning rate while the owners receive the majority of the profits. I personally believe that's why so many of the talks allude to this and many economists point this out as well.
Not to mention I think it's fair to say that the salary rollbacks as well as hard cap and non-guaranteed contracts were a given to never occur in the first place so the owners seem like they're making "concessions" and notice how Stern still leaks to the media the dealings of the talk even when previously agreed to keep things hush hush? It's genius yet underhanded tactics that skew public perception completely in the way of the owners so people just go "Man they're so stupid" when we admittedly don't know the exact going ons. The owners don't really want to negotiate they want to crush the players and get as much as they possibly can even using the media and public perception to their advantage. Well played.
As for Stern "leaking" things...thats bs. Hunter had the first press conference and announced what both sides offered before Stern even took the stage. If things were "hush, hush", Hunter would have said "Their number was acceptable to us" and left it at that. He said "They offered 47%". Stern at a press conference (not a leak) said we offered 47% but threw out 50% and they balked. Nobody leaked anything.
Oh and those salary rollbacks, hard cap and non guaranteed contracts that you say the owners were never going to get...watch them get them if this lockout drags on. The league KNOWS it can get some of that by canceling a season so they are concessions geared to save the season.
For everyone who sides with the players, answer this: Why is it ok for every other league (NHL, MLB, NFL) to give a majority of revenue to the owners but its wrong for the NBA owners tComment
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The courts will ensure that the NBAPA is never at some ridiculous split.Too Old To Game Club
Urban Meyer is lol.Comment
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Copy of the NBAPA letter to the players after the meeting
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I think it's obvious the players have to make most if not all the concessions. The question is how much is too much. This is especially the case when your the only party losing something.
Like Red and I have pointed out the owners throw in all these things they don't want to begin with to make it seem like their making consessions. It's an tactic we saw the NFL owners use. I don't see how the owners can give up something they didn't have in the previous deal.
OSU88 show me a union that the employee and product. The NBA rely on their stars unlike all other major American sport.Last edited by da ThRONe; 10-05-2011, 12:52 PM.You looking at the Chair MAN!
Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.Comment
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No one deal is mutually exclusive to the other...
The first statement you made could be said in reverse in terms of the owners really, so it only has so much bearing
Its not as if this is a 70 -30 take it or leave it deal.. the NBAPA are even too much of a stickler for a couple of more percentage points
Wonder how many for the love of the game post game interviews we'll get next seasonComment
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Copy of the NBAPA letter to the players after the meeting
http://ht.cdn.turner.com/si/nba/NBPAletter.pdfComment
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I think it's obvious the players have to make most if not all the concessions. The question is how much is too much. This is especially the case when your the only party losing something.
Like Red and I have pointed out the owners throw in all these things they don't want to begin with to make it seem like their making consessions. It's an tactic we saw the NFL owners use. I don't see how the owners can give up something they didn't have in the previous deal.
OSU88 show me a union that's the employee and product. The NBA rely on their stars unlike all other major American sport.Comment
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Yeah, but they had similiar issues that the NBA players are having. Unfortunately for those unions either lost and/or give in.Last edited by da ThRONe; 10-05-2011, 01:09 PM.You looking at the Chair MAN!
Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.Comment
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Whats your point? Those unions lost because they realized the other way (the way the NBA is currently structured) doesnt work. The NBPA has a choice: they can go the NFL way (save season accept a decent deal) or the NHL way (lose a season, receive less money and change the whole system). They keep fooling themselves thinking there is a middle ground because come Monday...there wont be.Comment
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Whats your point? Those unions lost because they realized the other way (the way the NBA is currently structured) doesnt work. The NBPA has a choice: they can go the NFL way (save season accept a decent deal) or the NHL way (lose a season, receive less money and change the whole system). They keep fooling themselves thinking there is a middle ground because come Monday...there wont be.
I have said when this all started ,that unless the players had some super secret plan to start their own league, I see no way they can win. At the same time I can understand the players position that if they never fight they will always lose. I can't imagine being in a so called "negotiation" really getting nothing in return as compared to the previous CBA.You looking at the Chair MAN!
Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.Comment
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