NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[ProfessaPackMan]

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What's up with all the "Oh, the Owners are the victims" posts when nobody is/has even said that at all? Goodness gracious man...

[Dice]

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But don't tell that to Ben Gordon(notes), who thinks the lockout could last two whole seasons. From Vince Ellis for the Detroit Free Press (via EOB):

He sat in on labor negotiations late last month that Gordon on Tuesday described as a "waste of time."
And the Pistons' shooting guard thinks it's only a matter of time before more games are canceled.
"I think there will be more games missed," Gordon said when reached by phone as he was driving to Chicago. "I expect it might be a year or two. I realized that when I was listening to both sides during the negotiations. I think there will be a lot of games missed and more money is going to go down the drain.
"I'm preparing for the worst, but hoping for the best."

DAMN! TWO years? Well, I'm not too sure how the NBA will survive with two complete seasons cancelled. Unless they get replacement players. And that's about as risky as the players de-certifying.

The first year would kill the players financially. BUT they still have some option to go overseas. What option do the owners have if the season is gone for two seasons? People harp on the idea of players starting their own league. The owners using scabs wouldn't sustain the NBA for more than a year.

[The 24th Letter]

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What's up with all the "Oh, the Owners are the victims" posts when nobody is/has even said that at all? Goodness gracious man...

b/c there arent enough posts like OSUs...

[23]

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What's up with all the "Oh, the Owners are the victims" posts when nobody is/has even said that at all? Goodness gracious man...

Its a deflection because some hard facts were thrown out there... putting in Jordan and Magic in this conversation is ridiculous... Ironically they got the game to where it is and never made as much money as a scrub like Rashard Lewis..please stop compariing eras and crap because times werent the exact same conditions as now and we all know that, lets not pretend otherwise..


Nobody said anybody would play for free I dont know where that came from either, but these dudes making 1 and 2 million every 2 weeks plus endorsements and claiming foul are outrageous

I dont care 2 cents about the owners losses but there is alot of immaturity on trying to fix the problem, forget who caused it. The nba operating will become and issues if things stay par for the course...thats the problem, and these rich spoiled dummies are too selfish to admit it.

[aholbert32]

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I like this too but is this like binding arbitration? It would be great if both sides can lay out their position and the mediator comes back with terms of a deal in a couple of weeks or so.

Nope. Nothing is binding. Just a middleman to help guide the negotiations.

[Altimus]

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DAMN! TWO years? Well, I'm not too sure how the NBA will survive with two complete seasons cancelled. Unless they get replacement players. And that's about as risky as the players de-certifying.

The first year would kill the players financially. BUT they still have some option to go overseas. What option do the owners have if the season is gone for two seasons? People harp on the idea of players starting their own league. The owners using scabs wouldn't sustain the NBA for more than a year.

No way it's two years. Plus I don't trust what Gordon says. I remember seeing him twice at a club in Chicago. Both times he sat alone the whole time at a table. Since then I always thought he was a little strange.

[King_B_Mack]

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Saying we should pity any side is ridiculous. It's all about being reasonable so that everyone can get paid in the end, and then after that, it's all semantics. At this point, for some reason, the players or owners cannot agree to a 50-50 split. Both sides are being greedy and both sides are to blame.

BTW, why should anyone be shocked that Jordan wanted money and was an *******? I thought that was established a long time ago.

So then why the hell are the players the only ones getting they're asses handed to them in this forum? The players have taken an absolute beating from the begining of this whole thing before the 'Stand United' crap that everyone has been ****ting a brick about this past week (cause the higher paid members of a union aren't leading the rah rah's for the guys on the low end in a labor dispute anywhere but the NBA of course). Now all of a sudden Woj's opinions on the matter are irrelevent because he backs the players in this whole thing. Now all of a sudden people are posting articles from Screamin' A Smith after ragging on him for how many years here? Now the same guys that were getting ragged on all last summer during the free agency fiasco as hack writers and having no real sources and yadda yadda are the gospel on the details of negotiations? There's way too much double talking of 'I'm not on anybody's side' and 'both sides are greedy.' However the only guys getting killed in this are the players.

Show me how much some of these owners are getting paid per day to be CEO of these teams (cause I'll bet the guys are getting paychecks from the teams) show me the check to check pay of some of this garbage GMs that are signing these deals that we're bitching about now. Show me check to check payment for these guys that are getting paid to talk about a game. The argument about not paying to see the owners play is tired okay cool, but the 'woah is me the country is in the ****ter and these guys are getting paid to play a game' crap is even more tired. If people have such a problem with guys getting millions of dollars to play a game, then stop ****ing paying 40 and up to a couple thousand dollars for the tickets to see them play the game. Stop spending 49.99 and up to 279 dollars for jerseys with those players names on them. Turn off NBAtv, turn off the NBA games at your house or go watch it at a bar where you aren't paying for it. Don't by that 5.99 pack of pencils with the logo on it. Stop buying those 200 dollar basketball shoes. Once you spend your hard earned money on one of those things you lose your right to bitch about somebody playing a game for millions of dollars because you're one of the schmucks stupid enough to pay them for it, especially if you're a repeat offender.

Both sides are most definitely in the wrong in this and at this point the players do need to just wave the white flag and get this game back going. That being said, they weren't the only ones dragging they're feet until the last minute trying to get something done since guys are now bringing up all the charity basketball games now. They aren't the ones that 'allegedly' wouldn't even negotiate about other issues until an agreement to something they wouldn't move on was made. At this point, the players should get rocks thrown at them, but they sure as hell shouldn't be the ones getting boulders and bricks thrown at them while the owners stand on the other side of the street pointing and laughing with only one or two people breaking off to throw a few pebbles at just Donald Sterling or Dan Gilbert.

Times like these are when I look at this MLB article written by Doug Pappas and reminds me just how shady owners in sports are and why they get pretty much no sympathy from me.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1333

[aholbert32]

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DAMN! TWO years? Well, I'm not too sure how the NBA will survive with two complete seasons cancelled. Unless they get replacement players. And that's about as risky as the players de-certifying.

The first year would kill the players financially. BUT they still have some option to go overseas. What option do the owners have if the season is gone for two seasons? People harp on the idea of players starting their own league. The owners using scabs wouldn't sustain the NBA for more than a year.

No way they miss two years. I only listen to people who are intimately involved in the negotiations. Gordon is talking out of his ***.

[Dice]

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No way it's two years. Plus I don't trust what Gordon says. I remember seeing him twice at a club in Chicago. Both times he sat alone the whole time at a table. Since then I always thought he was a little strange.

I hope your right and Gordon is wrong. Because two years I think will shut down the NBA. And as bad as it may sound, the player would probably have to start their own league out of necessity.

[Dice]

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Now all of a sudden Woj's opinions on the matter are irrelevent because he backs the players in this whole thing. Now all of a sudden people are posting articles from Screamin' A Smith after ragging on him for how many years here? Now the same guys that were getting ragged on all last summer during the free agency fiasco as hack writers and having no real sources and yadda yadda are the gospel on the details of negotiations?

You pretty much read my mind on this one.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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b/c there arent enough posts like OSUs...

This is the 2nd Lockout thread is it not? And from what I recall, the majority of posts in their were either for defending the players and/or saying the Owners are just as responsible for this, if not more.

But then you Throne continuing to post the same crap about "Oh, so the Players are to blame" when NOBODY has said that AT ALL and I'm not sure why folks keep insinuating that when nobody is saying that.

DAMN! TWO years? Well, I'm not too sure how the NBA will survive with two complete seasons cancelled. Unless they get replacement players. And that's about as risky as the players de-certifying.

The first year would kill the players financially. BUT they still have some option to go overseas. What option do the owners have if the season is gone for two seasons? People harp on the idea of players starting their own league. The owners using scabs wouldn't sustain the NBA for more than a year.

Unless you're one of the Top 10%, this doesn't apply for everyone and even then, they couldn't survive over there long term financially like they would over here.

So then why the hell are the players the only ones getting they're asses handed to them in this forum? The players have taken an absolute beating from the begining of this whole thing before the 'Stand United' crap that everyone has been ****ting a brick about this past week (cause the higher paid members of a union aren't leading the rah rah's for the guys on the low end in a labor dispute anywhere but the NBA of course). Now all of a sudden Woj's opinions on the matter are irrelevent because he backs the players in this whole thing. Now all of a sudden people are posting articles from Screamin' A Smith after ragging on him for how many years here? Now the same guys that were getting ragged on all last summer during the free agency fiasco as hack writers and having no real sources and yadda yadda are the gospel on the details of negotiations? There's way too much double talking of 'I'm not on anybody's side' and 'both sides are greedy.' However the only guys getting killed in this are the players.

Show me how much some of these owners are getting paid per day to be CEO of these teams (cause I'll bet the guys are getting paychecks from the teams) show me the check to check pay of some of this garbage GMs that are signing these deals that we're bitching about now. Show me check to check payment for these guys that are getting paid to talk about a game. The argument about not paying to see the owners play is tired okay cool, but the 'woah is me the country is in the ****ter and these guys are getting paid to play a game' crap is even more tired. If people have such a problem with guys getting millions of dollars to play a game, then stop ****ing paying 40 and up to a couple thousand dollars for the tickets to see them play the game. Stop spending 49.99 and up to 279 dollars for jerseys with those players names on them. Turn off NBAtv, turn off the NBA games at your house or go watch it at a bar where you aren't paying for it. Don't by that 5.99 pack of pencils with the logo on it. Stop buying those 200 dollar basketball shoes. Once you spend your hard earned money on one of those things you lose your right to bitch about somebody playing a game for millions of dollars because you're one of the schmucks stupid enough to pay them for it, especially if you're a repeat offender.

Both sides are most definitely in the wrong in this and at this point the players do need to just wave the white flag and get this game back going. That being said, they weren't the only ones dragging they're feet until the last minute trying to get something done since guys are now bringing up all the charity basketball games now. They aren't the ones that 'allegedly' wouldn't even negotiate about other issues until an agreement to something they wouldn't move on was made. At this point, the players should get rocks thrown at them, but they sure as hell shouldn't be the ones getting boulders and bricks thrown at them while the owners stand on the other side of the street pointing and laughing with only one or two people breaking off to throw a few pebbles at just Donald Sterling or Dan Gilbert.

Times like these are when I look at this MLB article written by Doug Pappas and reminds me just how shady owners in sports are and why they get pretty much no sympathy from me.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=1333

See earlier post.

And about the Woj part, as far as I know, me and Dre were the only ones on here taking their stuff with a grain of salt. Everyone else on the both sides seemed to think everything that came out from whoever was gospel.

[Marino]

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But don't tell that to Ben Gordon(notes), who thinks the lockout could last two whole seasons. From Vince Ellis for the Detroit Free Press (via EOB):

He sat in on labor negotiations late last month that Gordon on Tuesday described as a "waste of time."
And the Pistons' shooting guard thinks it's only a matter of time before more games are canceled.
"I think there will be more games missed," Gordon said when reached by phone as he was driving to Chicago. "I expect it might be a year or two. I realized that when I was listening to both sides during the negotiations. I think there will be a lot of games missed and more money is going to go down the drain.
"I'm preparing for the worst, but hoping for the best."

You can put the NBA to bed if it's two years. There is no way it'll last that long.

[Dice]

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Unless you're one of the Top 10%, this doesn't apply for everyone and even then, they couldn't survive over there long term financially like they would over here.

Love the OS Basketball forums. BUT that's not the point I'm making. It's not about SURVIVING, it's about having an OPTION. Yes, we all know they won't make nearly as much as they do here. BUT what option do the owners have if the league was gone for two years? Are they going to go overseas and own a team?

[OSUFan_88]

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So then why the hell are the players the only ones getting they're asses handed to them in this forum?

Because of two primary reasons:

1) They are not willing to go below 53% because they never have before.
2) They pretty much admitted to not wanting to get a deal done so they could show resolve. #StandUnited

Basically, it's because the players are being greedy and stupid. Sure, it's a lockout, but the only reason it's a lockout is because the players aren't willing to help out the owners.

[23]

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The owners usually have other businesses going on

Like I said Donald Sterling is a real estate mogul... dude is filthy rich regardless