NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[OSUFan_88]

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You can put the NBA to bed if it's two years. There is no way it'll last that long.

If the NBA misses one year, then the NBA may as well pack it in.

Remember how big the NHL was before the lockout? They are just now getting back to where they were and that's because pre lockout NHL was boring as hell and they finally managed to change the game to be more exciting. The NBA isn't changing their game to be more exciting, this is greed.

If they miss a whole year because they cannot figure out 3%, then they don't deserve to have any fans.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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It's not about SURVIVING, it's about having an OPTION.

Well of course they have an option if they just want to simply play. But you also gotta be realistic and see that not every player will be going over there "just to simply play", which is what I was saying.

It's an option, but for how long?

BUT what option do the owners have if the league was gone for two years

So you think they'd simply just go broke and that's the end of any money?

I'll play this game and answer this question if there's no NBA:

-The Russian would go back to Russia, seeing as he still has $25 Billion other things to do with his money, if there's no NBA.

-Ted Leonsis still owns the Caps and the Verizon Center, so I'm sure he'd still be making money regardless.

-Mark Cuban, is in the same boat as The Russian, except not as rich.

-Dan Gilbert, Michael Jordan(has this weird shoe called "Air Jordan, which he's seemingly made alot of money off of)James Dolan, Donald Sterling, etc. Now with the exception of the first 2-3 people I named, yeah everyone else isn't gonna make the SAME amount of money they could make if the NBA one day just disappeared, but at the sametime, that wouldn't be the end of their money trail if it did disappear.

BTW, I love the Basketball Forums also.

[The 24th Letter]

This is the 2nd Lockout thread is it not? And from what I recall, the majority of posts in their were either for defending the players and/or saying the Owners are just as responsible for this, if not more.

But then you Throne continuing to post the same crap about "Oh, so the Players are to blame" when NOBODY has said that AT ALL and I'm not sure why folks keep insinuating that when nobody is saying that..

We can play the verbatim game all day.

Like, you cant find where I said exactly what you put in quotations either...its a pretty silly game.

You can sit there and tell me the players havent been getting killed in here without taking the owners role into account for the most part if you want...lol. The little "both partys have a part" thrown in at the end of long paragraphs about greedy players is laughable...

If you read the context of alot of the posts youll understand a little bit more...rather than throw the "nobody said exactly that" in there

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We can play the verbatim game all day.

Like, you cant find where I said exactly what you put in quotations either...its a pretty silly game.

You can sit there and tell me the players havent been getting killed in here without taking the owners role into account for the most part if you want...lol. The little "both partys have a part" thrown in at the end of long paragraphs about greedy players is laughable...

Players getting killed on an internet forum? and that means what?

The average person has disdain for them because of their salaries and the attitudes they display in spite of everyone else's situation and adjustments to the world

Anyhow, they're the ones taking stupid quotes to the internet and sounding like dumb goofballs with wack twitter campaigns and lying to the fans about how weluvuguys

Both parties do have a part, but as stated many times... its on the players to give it up so the season can get going...the ball is in their court.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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LOL You got it man.

The Players are the victims here. They're at fault for all of this all because of a few posts on an internet forum.

Boo Owners, boo.

[aholbert32]

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I hope your right and Gordon is wrong. Because two years I think will shut down the NBA. And as bad as it may sound, the player would probably have to start their own league out of necessity.

Most players dont have the organization and funds to start a league. You will see replacement players and players cross the picket lines before they start a new league.

[King_B_Mack]

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This is the 2nd Lockout thread is it not? And from what I recall, the majority of posts in their were either for defending the players and/or saying the Owners are just as responsible for this, if not more.

But then you Throne continuing to post the same crap about "Oh, so the Players are to blame" when NOBODY has said that AT ALL and I'm not sure why folks keep insinuating that when nobody is saying that.

Unless you're one of the Top 10%, this doesn't apply for everyone and even then, they couldn't survive over there long term financially like they would over here.

See earlier post.

And about the Woj part, as far as I know, me and Dre were the only ones on here taking their stuff with a grain of salt. Everyone else on the both sides seemed to think everything that came out from whoever was gospel.

Yeah I was in that thread and the majority of the posts defending the players in there were from pretty much the same people doing it in here. There certainly wasn't the owner venom in that thread like the player venom in this one.

Because of two primary reasons:

1) They are not willing to go below 53% because they never have before.
2) They pretty much admitted to not wanting to get a deal done so they could show resolve. #StandUnited

Basically, it's because the players are being greedy and stupid. Sure, it's a lockout, but the only reason it's a lockout is because the players aren't willing to help out the owners.

The players aren't willing to help the owners? Moving off the 57 to 53 is helping. The owners still refuse to take any real looks at revenue sharing as further relief. The problem is trying to put all the burden on 'saving' the league on the players and not even attempting to exhaust all options to help amongst themselves.

[aholbert32]

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Love the OS Basketball forums. BUT that's not the point I'm making. It's not about SURVIVING, it's about having an OPTION. Yes, we all know they won't make nearly as much as they do here. BUT what option do the owners have if the league was gone for two years? Are they going to go overseas and own a team?

Most dont have the option. There are 350 players on NBA rosters and under 100 have signed contacts to play overseas. These leagues have all types of restrictions from monetary to the number of US born players they can sign. Its an option for some but not most.

With the exception of Buss, most owners have several other businesses and the teams are not a main source of revenue. The 2 years wont hurt them at all.

[DukeC]

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Because of two primary reasons:

1) They are not willing to go below 53% because they never have before.
2) They pretty much admitted to not wanting to get a deal done so they could show resolve. #StandUnited

Basically, it's because the players are being greedy and stupid. Sure, it's a lockout, but the only reason it's a lockout is because the players aren't willing to help out the owners.

Sure, the players make much more money than we do (And they shouldn't be bitching). But what's stopping the owners from implementing a revenue sharing system so they don't lose money? What's stopping them from not signing bad contracts? Why buy a basketball team at an inflated price, have to do maintanence, get good players, generate hype, suffer below par attendance until you get good...then cry foul that you're losing money? They, more than anyone shouldn't be bitching. Sure, you're losing tens of millions of dollars. The last I notice...they are still billionaires..and are still making money from thier other business ventures.....

Frankly, buying a basketball team is a bad investment. Who expects to make money from a bad investment? Everyone knew Rashard Lewis wasn't worth that much money. They did it anyway. Arenas, Hakim Warrick and the like shouldn't have gotten those contracts. Yet they signed/traded for them anyway. Did you really belive Arenas was worth his contract on bum knees? Really? That was a bad decision. They shouldn't be protected from a bad decision.

Are inflated contracts a problem? Yes, but only because owners made it that way in the first place. And the argument that a single owner shouldn't ruin it for the rest of them...did we not just see a group of people crash the stock market and plunge us into a recession!?

Now, that that's over. I think the problem coming up is the fact that the owners want an entirely new CBA and the players want to renegotioate the old CBA. Different expectations + Egos = Severe Problems.

I do agree that the Stand United crap needs to stop though. That's not helping them any in terms of public perception.

[King_B_Mack]

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Players getting killed on an internet forum? and that means what?

The average person has disdain for them because of their salaries and the attitudes they display in spite of everyone else's situation and adjustments to the world

Anyhow, they're the ones taking stupid quotes to the internet and sounding like dumb goofballs with wack twitter campaigns and lying to the fans about how weluvuguys

Both parties do have a part, but as stated many times... its on the players to give it up so the season can get going...the ball is in their court.

LOL You got it man.

The Players are the victims here. They're at fault for all of this all because of a few posts on an internet forum.

Boo Owners, boo.

Y'all better than that. We can all be basketball fans without resorting to that. The internet forum thing is like Troll Poster 101 man.

[aholbert32]

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Yeah I was in that thread and the majority of the posts defending the players in there were from pretty much the same people doing it in here. There certainly wasn't the owner venom in that thread like the player venom in this one.



The players aren't willing to help the owners? Moving off the 57 to 53 is helping. The owners still refuse to take any real looks at revenue sharing as further relief. The problem is trying to put all the burden on 'saving' the league on the players and not even attempting to exhaust all options to help amongst themselves.

Thats BS. The owners have looked at revenue sharing and have presented their proposal to the players. From what I've read the players dont seem to have an issue with their proposal. There were 3 issues going into this lockout: Revenue Sharing, BRI and the System. Revenue Sharing is the only one close to being resolved.

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I really dont know what you're talking about

Im really not understanding why you're so hurt that the players are getting as you call it their behinds handed to them. I see you weren't around when we were having discussions as the negotiations last days were going on so maybe you dont understand whats been happening by the hour


I havent resorted to anything...and saying they're acting like dumb goofballs on twitter is exactly what they were doing

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Hold on, So the players turned down a deal that would've guaranteed $2B in salaries for life of a 10 year deal back in June?

[jvalverde88]

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Not to sound pro-owners because I'm not (Dolan should've never given Jared Jefferies that ridiculous contract) But I wanna see the players try to start up their own league, so I can see them fail because of them bickering over money just like they are with the owners. You know if they try to start their own league egos are going to clash because of money.

[djep]

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Players get lots of the hate because people actually know them (I can't name half the owners) and the public knows how much money they make. If we all knew how much money the owners were raking in I'm sure it would sway some of the sentiment.