Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

[TripleCrown9]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

Wall will never be as an explosive a scorer as Rose.

Wall was a more polished pure point guard. Obviously a better passer but Rose's ability to finish and get to the rim is second to none in the NBA as a PG. All Rondo had to do was develop a jumper too and we're still waiting on that.

Evans, Curry and Rose all had statistically better rookie seasons than Wall. I'm not saying he won't be good, but he won't be the superior of Rose.

Yeah there's now doubt about that. Rose has surpassed most people's expectations from when he was drafted. I know he passed mine. I thought he would be a serviceable point guard. Not that outstanding. Boy was I wrong. Rose will go down as one of the best ever at the position.

[SoonerSports]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

Wall will never be as an explosive a scorer as Rose.

Wall was a more polished pure point guard. Obviously a better passer but Rose's ability to finish and get to the rim is second to none in the NBA as a PG. All Rondo had to do was develop a jumper too and we're still waiting on that.

Evans, Curry and Rose all had statistically better rookie seasons than Wall. I'm not saying he won't be good, but he won't be the superior of Rose.

Comparing Rondo to Wall is stupid, but IMO I see Rose and Wall being 1-2 and Rose having 28-29 Pts/5 Reb/7 Ast type numbers and Wall putting up 24-25 Pts/6 Reb/11 Ast/2 Steals.
So in terms of pure scoring I'd take Rose he finishes alot better but I also think Wall has the type of potential to at least try and rival Rose in that department. Though even with the edge in scoring going to Rose I think Wall will be better at prety much everything else. Which is why I'd put my money on him being the better NBA player when it is all said and done
But I love Rose and Wall ha

[1Rose]

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Comparing Rondo to Wall is stupid, but IMO I see Rose and Wall being 1-2 and Rose having 28-29 Pts/5 Reb/7 Ast type numbers and Wall putting up 24-25 Pts/6 Reb/11 Ast/2 Steals.
So in terms of pure scoring I'd take Rose he finishes alot better but I also think Wall has the type of potential to at least try and rival Rose in that department. Though even with the edge in scoring going to Rose I think Wall will be better at prety much everything else. Which is why I'd put my money on him being the better NBA player when it is all said and done
But I love Rose and Wall ha

How? Comparing them two is a lot more realistic than comparing Wall to Rose.

Rose is stronger, quicker and more explosive than Wall. All of which is fact. I can never see John Wall average 25 points a game. That's not his game. He's a lesser version of Chris Paul/Rajon Rondo combined. Can score if given the opportunity to do so but is at his best when he is getting his team involved.

Wall has a lot of work to do, to even hold Rose's jock strap.

Also, little note, Rose is also still getting better. If that's not scary, I don't know what is.

[RedSceptile]

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Evans, Curry and Rose all had statistically better rookie seasons than Wall. I'm not saying he won't be good, but he won't be the superior of Rose.

Derrick Rose and John Wall had nearly mirror image rookie seasons. Where are you getting this made up information from. The thing of most note if you want to go down that route was Wall was hampered by ankle injuries all season.

Again John Wall and Derrick Rose had nearly mirror image rookie seasons. If we're basing his development and skill by his Rookie Season then Deron Williams should be terrible when you look at the numbers and the fact he barely start for half of the season! Hell Vince Carter had a far greater Rookie Season than Kobe Bryant statistically, his first 4 seasons are better than Kobe Bryant's statistically, let's not forget he was one of the league's top finishers.

[DC35]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

wizard fan here so here is to hoping Wall is the better of the three when it is all said in done

[1Rose]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

Derrick Rose and John Wall had nearly mirror image rookie seasons. Where are you getting this made up information from. The thing of most note if you want to go down that route was Wall was hampered by ankle injuries all season.

Again John Wall and Derrick Rose had nearly mirror image rookie seasons. If we're basing his development and skill by his Rookie Season then Deron Williams should be terrible when you look at the numbers and the fact he barely start for half of the season! Hell Vince Carter had a far greater Rookie Season than Kobe Bryant statistically, his first 4 seasons are better than Kobe Bryant's statistically, let's not forget he was one of the league's top finishers.

I don't make up statistics, no need to. They were NOT mirror image. Rose was not nearly as careless and inefficient as Wall was. Rose shot nearly 10 percent better from the field in 12 more games and turned the ball over way less than Wall did.

Also don't see how comparing a player who started is whole Rookie year to a player who came off the bench the whole season behind two all-stars is just but ok.

[SoonerSports]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

I don't make up statistics, no need to. They were NOT mirror image. Rose was not nearly as careless and inefficient as Wall was. Rose shot nearly 10 percent better from the field in 12 more games and turned the ball over way less than Wall did.

Also don't see how comparing a player who started is whole Rookie year to a player who came off the bench the whole season behind two all-stars is just but ok.

Umm Rose started 80 games his Rookie year...Wall started 64 and both averaged 37 MPG

[1Rose]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

I don't see your point.

Thought that was obvious they were both full time starters their rookie year.

I was referring to your comparison of Kobe to Vince.

[For The Win]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

In my honest view I believe that Kemba Walker will surpass Kyrie Irving. Nothing against Kyrie but Kemba always seems to get it done and he has the work ethic to improve. May not happen but that's just my look at it.

By the way keep an eye on Tony Wroten at Washington. He'll be a freshman but he's a terrific athlete and he has great size. The main question on him is whether he is a true point but he was one of top point guards in the class of 2011 before tearing his ACL two years back.

[Hassan Darkside]

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I think Wall will be better. I'm not convinced that a PG as a team's top scoring option can consistently win. Rose I think is quicker and right now is a better scorer, but Wall's a better passer and shows better court vision imo. Rose seems to lack the ability to see things before they happen, when he attacks the basket he looks to score rather than to facilitate. Sure he's a heck of a finisher, but sometimes he misses guys like Korver open in the corner for 3 when the defense collapses on him.

He gets a lot of those "Iverson-assists" where he passes at the last minute because he has no shot rather than from intentionally setting up his teammates. I also don't think he can impact a game without scoring the basketball, at least he showed that during the playoffs last year.

[JaySmooov]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

I think Wall will be better. I'm not convinced that a PG as a team's top scoring option can consistently win. Rose I think is quicker and right now is a better scorer, but Wall's a better passer and shows better court vision imo. Rose seems to lack the ability to see things before they happen, when he attacks the basket he looks to score rather than to facilitate. Sure he's a heck of a finisher, but sometimes he misses guys like Korver open in the corner for 3 when the defense collapses on him.

He gets a lot of those "Iverson-assists" where he passes at the last minute because he has no shot rather than from intentionally setting up his teammates. I also don't think he can impact a game without scoring the basketball, at least he showed that during the playoffs last year.

If you watched the Bulls-Pacers series, and ESPECIALLY if you watched the Bulls-Heat series, you would understand Derrick HAS to score for the Bulls to win. I've never seen a team look so lost as the Bulls did against the Heat, when LeBron was guarding him (For the record, the fact that LeBron hung with one of the fastest and most dominant players at the time...never mind ).

But honestly, I see Kyrie as a CP3-type - not necessarily that he'll be AS great as he was, because I don't know about him really at all since he only played 7 games or something like that. I do know he was the best player in the NCAA for 7 games though. So I think Kyrie probably has the higher floor, but also lower ceiling.

As for Rose or Wall, it could end up being the either-or, 1a/1b type of thing. Both have different elements to their game; and also if Derrick Rose can improve his shot, so can Wall. He just needs to connect with the right guys/people to take his game to the next level.

[suh90beast]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

Wall will never be as an explosive a scorer as Rose.

Wall was a more polished pure point guard but Rose was the more polished basketball player. Obviously a better passer but Rose's ability to finish and get to the rim is second to none in the NBA as a PG. All Rondo had to do was develop a jumper too and we're still waiting on that.

Evans, Curry and Rose all had statistically better rookie seasons than Wall. I'm not saying he won't be good, but he won't be the superior of Rose.

Since when was being a point guard about scoring, What makes great point guards great is their passing ability and game management. Rose just seems like a Russel Westbrook to me. He should be a 2 guard.

[1Rose]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

Did I ever say it was? I was responding to a comment that stated that all Wall has to do is develop a jumper.

Don't assume.

[Altimus]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

Rose is not and should not be a two guard.

Once BG7 comes back to Chicago, we'll see how it opens up Rose's game.

[Hassan Darkside]

Re: Over the next 10 years..Who will be better??

If you watched the Bulls-Pacers series, and ESPECIALLY if you watched the Bulls-Heat series, you would understand Derrick HAS to score for the Bulls to win. I've never seen a team look so lost as the Bulls did against the Heat, when LeBron was guarding him (For the record, the fact that LeBron hung with one of the fastest and most dominant players at the time...never mind ).

I understand fine. Maybe I'm just spoiled by watching someone like Chris Paul set the bar for how the PG position is supposed to be run. He's done more with less it feels like to me and made all-stars out of role players. Same with a guy like Steve Nash.