JaVale McGee

[IlliniM1ke]

Re: JaVale McGee

Work ethic has nothing to do with what environment your in.

If you're a hard worker you're a hard worker, if you just want to get by then you just get by.

Losing sucks and it takes its toll on you sure but you can be on a bad team and still work hard and try to improve, McGee doesn't strike me as the type who does so.

He is part of the reason the environment is what it is in Washington IMO.

You are correct though that if he were elsewhere he would probably try harder with veterans staying on him but that goes right back to bad work ethic, if you need someone else to keep you motivated you aren't a hard worker.

[JBH3]

Re: JaVale McGee

JaVale did exactly what John Wall wants to do - run from Washington.

...The OP did exactly what Javale did - run from this thread.

[Colts18]

Re: JaVale McGee

Work ethic has nothing to do with what environment your in.
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For the most part I agree with you but the culture CAN influence the work habits/ Take OKC for instance. The leader is a hard working dude. That trickles down and people see him working hard so they know they have to work hard. If someone is with the Wizards, maybe they don't feel that same pressure to work hard. But I get what you are saying but I don't think it is that black and white.

Some situations just demand more work.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: JaVale McGee

I know there are about 3, maybe 4 players on that team right now whose out there busting their butt every night regardless of how bad it is there. JaVale is not one of those individuals unless he wants to end up on Sportscenter's Top 10 plays of the week, which this week he'll have no problem achieving that.

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Re: JaVale McGee

Sometimes your beginning influences do matter

You dont think it mattered, say Lebron and Kobe

Kobe had Shaq, Byron Scott, Ron Harper, Cliff Levinston, Glen Rice, Horace Grant, Phil Jackson and a slew of others around him when he came to the NBA

LeBron had Mike Brown, Ricky Davis, and who else in his earliest days? Then people wonder about his maturity level.

.. and to go further its impossible to learn how to be a winner in a losing culture... ask Rip Hamilton.. he was a Wiz player not heard about in the NBA, then went to the Pistons and learned what it took to win

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: JaVale McGee

Yeah but it wasn't like he didn't WANT to win while he was in DC though. He still came out and balled his *** off like he still cared despite the MJ Charade going on and the fact the rest of the team wasn't that good.

There's a difference between playing like you give a damn and playing just to get yours and you can't normally tell which one a player is from Day 1 and I think we all know which category this clown falls into.

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Re: JaVale McGee

Yeah but it wasn't like he didn't WANT to win while he was in DC though. He still came out and balled his *** off like he still cared despite the MJ Charade going on and the fact the rest of the team wasn't that good.

There's a difference between playing like you give a damn and playing just to get yours and you can't normally tell which one a player is from Day 1 and I think we all know which category this clown falls into.

That's the point... Rip ended up in a better situation and one that matched what he was about and honestly he's probably grateful MJ traded him to DET... I would be

Javale man... right now he's matching your boy OutLOL in terms of brains

[wwharton]

Re: JaVale McGee

Sometimes your beginning influences do matter

You dont think it mattered, say Lebron and Kobe

Kobe had Shaq, Byron Scott, Ron Harper, Cliff Levinston, Glen Rice, Horace Grant, Phil Jackson and a slew of others around him when he came to the NBA

LeBron had Mike Brown, Ricky Davis, and who else in his earliest days? Then people wonder about his maturity level.

.. and to go further its impossible to learn how to be a winner in a losing culture... ask Rip Hamilton.. he was a Wiz player not heard about in the NBA, then went to the Pistons and learned what it took to win

This is true, and drafted by another team, McGee may be more of a contributor. I don't think he'd ever reach his potential bc I really don't see him caring to that level (dude's mom spoke out against the team on his behalf... come on man), but better. But today's Wiz aren't the same as when he was drafted. Gil was a nut but Jamison and Butler were legit vets, leaders, and players with experience in different areas that could help him improve his game. The general point about the losing culture is a good one, but that doesn't mean it applies to everyone. And granted, we're only guessing that McGee is beyond this theory but we do have a lot of evidence to make that guess.

Rip was a different story btw. It was a big deal when that trade was made because he was playing like he could be a piece to help turn the team around. He wasn't noticed because of what was around him but he was never a part of that like McGee is. He didn't really step his game up when he went to Detroit, he just had more of an opportunity to make an impact doing what he does.

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Re: JaVale McGee

I dont think McGee will reach his potential either, but to speak to the point that the culture will or will not matter... I think it absolutely does matter, and evidence shows.

That said, it doesn't apply to everyone as witnessed by Rip because it wasnt so much him stepping it up more or anything but the attitude he had put him in a better situation. His value would've never been high enough for a trade to DET if he had the attitude of a complete loser.

In a situation im currently seeing in front of me in real life... if you really want to grow and stretch yourself, you need to be around some people that have more or do more or know more than you or are where you want to go and are willing to help you get there

Otherwise you're in a group where you're equal with or the biggest person in the bunch, your circle is too small

[wwharton]

Re: JaVale McGee

I dont think McGee will reach his potential either, but to speak to the point that the culture will or will not matter... I think it absolutely does matter, and evidence shows.

That said, it doesn't apply to everyone as witnessed by Rip because it wasnt so much him stepping it up more or anything but the attitude he had put him in a better situation. His value would've never been high enough for a trade to DET if he had the attitude of a complete loser.

In a situation im currently seeing in front of me in real life... if you really want to grow and stretch yourself, you need to be around some people that have more or do more or know more than you or are where you want to go and are willing to help you get there

Otherwise you're in a group where you're equal with or the biggest person in the bunch, your circle is too small

Yep, I agree. I think every indication is that Wall's a great kid and he's not really developing at all. I just think McGee is that guy that would've been cut by say the Lakers, bouncing around the league for a while before grabbing 15 to 20 mins somewhere 5 years later. His head's just not all there, and alot of people underestimate the mental aspect of professional sports... basketball especially. He needs an attitude adjustment before he can get anywhere in this league and that's going to take an Oakley type smacking him upside the head because he's screwing up a shot at a ring before a team full of hard working vets could just "rub off on him".

Like I said, if he were drafted by that team, it may have been a different story. At this point it just won't be that simple (and I think I'm basically just agreeing with you).

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Re: JaVale McGee

LOL yeah you're saying it in different perspective but the exact same thing im getting at

...which is why John Wall will probably leave Washington when he can

[JaySmooov]

Re: JaVale McGee

Sometimes your beginning influences do matter

You dont think it mattered, say Lebron and Kobe

Kobe had Shaq, Byron Scott, Ron Harper, Cliff Levinston, Glen Rice, Horace Grant, Phil Jackson and a slew of others around him when he came to the NBA

LeBron had Mike Brown, Ricky Davis, and who else in his earliest days? Then people wonder about his maturity level.

.. and to go further its impossible to learn how to be a winner in a losing culture... ask Rip Hamilton.. he was a Wiz player not heard about in the NBA, then went to the Pistons and learned what it took to win

I'm curious, how is LeBron immature? Because he acts like a normal person and actually has human emotions and feelings?

How is Kobe NOT immature? The dude slipped up with some girl in Colorado or whatever, it looks like he whines when he doesn't take 30 shots a game. Right?

NO, because both guys are actually human. They have human emotions. I actually find LeBron to be a cool person, the dude seems like a REAL person, not some damn machine that goes to work and is never heard from the rest of the day.

JaVale McGee may be immature, but I don't get how Kobe is so much more mature than LeBron. Dudes just like to rag on LeBron every chance they get.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: JaVale McGee

Wall's not leaving Washington no time soon.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: JaVale McGee

I'm curious, how is LeBron immature? Because he acts like a normal person and actually has human emotions and feelings?

How is Kobe NOT immature? The dude slipped up with some girl in Colorado or whatever, it looks like he whines when he doesn't take 30 shots a game. Right?

NO, because both guys are actually human. They have human emotions. I actually find LeBron to be a cool person, the dude seems like a REAL person, not some damn machine that goes to work and is never heard from the rest of the day.

JaVale McGee may be immature, but I don't get how Kobe is so much more mature than LeBron. Dudes just like to rag on LeBron every chance they get.

He never said LeBron was immature, he said people WONDER about his maturity level, which for a while was legit IE his comments after last year's Finals.

[JaySmooov]

Re: JaVale McGee

He never said LeBron was immature, he said people WONDER about his maturity level, which for a while was legit IE his comments after last year's Finals.

He's still implying something is wrong with his maturity.