Stern HAS to be fired...

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He said it in the article where the Hornets said the Celtics offered them the best deal and they agreed to it but then CP3 told them that the only team he would sign with was the Lakers so therefore they had to take the Lakers offer.

From A. Sherrod Blakely (@SherrodbCSN)

"#Celtics were confident they were on the verge of landing Paul. Source says they were already planning a physical for him."

Reporters in Boston are getting word from the Celtics FO that the Celtics offered Rondo, Green, 2 firsts (including the Clippers pick this year), and Avery Bradley. The Hornets liked this deal the best, approved the trade, but CP3 nixed the deal and threatened to not show up at camp if he wasn't dealt to the Lakers. This lines up with Stern saying he didn't want CP3 to be able to dictate where he goes.

Also, to those upset who say the deal was fair in terms of the players NOH was receiving, that is not the issue. The issue is that NOH was having to TAKE ON $15 mil in salary to make the deal work financially for LA. So LA was shifting their bad salary cap situation onto a league owned team. This means the owners would be on the hook for that $15 mil, and they balked.
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Wait what? LA was only giving the hornets Lamar Odom, who makes 8.9 mil or something. Plus we don't know if the hornets were going to send over Emeka Okafor, which is probably what would have happened.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Uhh no? Why should the hornets care about what Chris Paul thinks? That's on the Celtics man. If Boston nixed the deal it would make sense but to say that the Hornets nixed the deal cause Chris Paul wouldn't play in Boston doesn't make any sense. (If I misunderstood you my bad)

He told the Celtics it ain't happening and told the Hornets he flat out wouldn't show up at camp unless he were traded to the Lakers.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Wait what? LA was only giving the hornets Lamar Odom, who makes 8.9 mil or something. Plus we don't know if the hornets were going to send over Emeka Okafor, which is probably what would have happened.

I'm just posting what the article said.

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Wait what? LA was only giving the hornets Lamar Odom, who makes 8.9 mil or something. Plus we don't know if the hornets were going to send over Emeka Okafor, which is probably what would have happened.

Your ignoring the other 15+ million that the Hornets were going to eat from the Rockets.

30+ million in additional salary and losing your star player is not the best way to attract buyers to a franchise and is definitely not in the best interest of the league.

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Your ignoring the other 15+ million that the Hornets were going to eat from the Rockets.

30+ million in additional salary and losing your star player is not the best way to attract buyers to a franchise and is definitely not in the best interest of the league.

Clearly the trade with the Celtics means that the Hornets don't take on any additional salary. I don't really care either way, but I can make the argument that all the players going to the Hornets > the offer the Celtics made.

Therefore, if you are taking on additional salary, but receiving better players wouldn't you do it? If you think Rondo and Green are better than Lamar, Scola, Martin, and Dragic then lol

Edit: I'm done with this...i'm taking this thread off its tracks. my bad guys

[I Djm]

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I think you don't realize the NBA runs the Hornets because they have no owner.

yea i know thats the problem. they stopped the trade because of the owners needs not the team.

[Court_vision]

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I'm glad the trade was vetoed. I mean for god sake, at least give your team 3-5 teams that you'd be willing to play for. That "trade me to the Lakers or I won't agree to go anywhere else even though I'm not supposed to have a choice in the matter anyway" **** is ridiculous.

Vetoe it, sure.

But do that last week. Don't allow it to get this far, for a whole week to pass and players, GMs and agents to spend all week working it out.....for players to be told they are traded...

And then do it.

Any CEO with a brain would have vetoed it from day 1 or not at all. It went way past the point of return.

Especially when third teams were allowed to get involved. Houston got completely screwed.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Vetoe it, sure.

But do that last week. Don't allow it to get this far, for a whole week to pass and players, GMs and agents to spend all week working it out.....for players to be told they are traded...

And then do it.

Any CEO with a brain would have vetoed it from day 1 or not at all. It went way past the point of return.

Especially when third teams were allowed to get involved. Houston got completely screwed.

Well I don't think it became an issue until the Hornets agreed to a trade with the Celtics, only to have it nixed by CP3 because he didn't want to go. If the Hornets were negotiating with a bunch of different teams like all the rumors were saying, that would lead me to believe that CP3 hadn't tried to abuse his power yet.

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Well I don't think it became an issue until the Hornets agreed to a trade with the Celtics, only to have it nixed by CP3 because he didn't want to go. If the Hornets were negotiating with a bunch of different teams like all the rumors were saying, that would lead me to believe that CP3 hadn't tried to abuse his power yet.

We don't even know that NO accepted a deal from Boston and that CP3 "vetoed" it...and if Dell Demps was content with making a deal with the Celts why was he as it was described "inconsolable" and wanted to resign tonight, only to be talked out of it? He knew he was getting a good deal for the Hornets and then the collusion took place, period.

Now Stern and his goons have f'd everything up and really screwed with the chemistry of not just one but THREE teams as the new season is fixing to start...bravo I say.

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I don't care about the trade thing, but I do agree Stern needs to go. As a suns fan the bs that went on with Amare being suspended for 1 game against the spurs for coming off the court but not even half way was like wtf moment. Than the very next year KG gets in a scuffle with a hawks player and PUSHES a ref but doesn't get suspended in that playoff series, proved to me that the league is stupid rigged.

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Vetoe it, sure.

But do that last week. Don't allow it to get this far, for a whole week to pass and players, GMs and agents to spend all week working it out.....for players to be told they are traded...

And then do it.

Any CEO with a brain would have vetoed it from day 1 or not at all. It went way past the point of return.

Especially when third teams were allowed to get involved. Houston got completely screwed.

Sup Monk!

1. This has only been brewing for a week, and was announced before it had been officially approved. I fault whomever leaked the terms.

2. In a lockout that was supposed to be about revenue sharing, competetive balance, and most of all, players no longer being able to pout their way out of town, this would have been a disaster move in principle, and allowed LAL the cap space to get Howard also. Obviously, the Lakers were stacked, and thus have the ammo to make this kind of deal, and NO would have gotten BY FAR the best deal out of all the teams that saw their franchise player walk, but again, letting another player twist arms like this would look terrible for the league. Stern had no choice.

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This trade hurts Lakers most. Pau and Lamar will be rattled until they're traded.

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Stern should have been knocked off his throne a long time ago. If anything, he acted properly here considering when teams are owned by the league, the other teams have to vote on and discuss deals.

Same thing happened with the OJ Mayo/Indiana deal that happened to involve the hornets that also fell through.

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Is this something only Lakers fans are upset about right now? Or is everyone up in arms? I'm struggling to see why this is being treated as such an insanely huge deal. I understand the debate, but it's not too difficult for me to recognize it's a murky situation at best with the Hornets being owned by the league. I don't have all my facts straight, but if New Orleans was set to rid of their franchise player, take on Lamar Odom's salary and then an additional chunk of change from Houston, I can understand how that could affect the allure of the franchise to a prospective owner. As a Pistons guy, I know what it's like to have transactions frozen out in the name of appealing to the idea of new ownership.

I say this a lot, but it's times like this where I'm glad I don't have cable. Because I know otherwise I would have ESPN up all morning and I'd have to listen to people trumpeting this story as the end of the world. It's somewhat comforting to be able to turn a story into as big a deal as one sees fit, as opposed to having it dictated by media outlets.

[Court_vision]

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Good points Macca...but i say this thing gets done this weekend.

Stern just looks old and clueless. He'll have to pass it at some stage to retain 'any' sort of cred...great article by Bill Simmons below:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...-nba-christmas

Was it the worst moment of David Stern's entire tenure? I never thought anything would top an official fixing games, but man … how can anything be worse than this? Imagine this happened in your fantasy league. Imagine spending weeks shaping a deal, executing it, then having your commissioner waltz in and say, "Nah, I'm vetoing that one." Would that ever happen? And now this is happening in a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE?