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A quick note

The Bobcats had no choice but to tank.

That team (barely) made the playoffs a few years ago by getting some decent vets but at the cost of loading themselves up with expensive contracts, trading away younger guys/draft picks and not having any of the tools you need to move up or even stay where they were-- cap room, decent young players, extra draft picks, or even expiring/short-term contracts, etc. Otherwise, that team was stuck between 30-35 wins (being stuck at .400 is actually worse than being stuck at .500) and bleeding money badly.

It's not like the Bobcats are even in a position to even try for a Pau Gasol trade or Dwight Howard rental trade. They had nothing with which to try to move up, so it isn't dumb for them to move down.

-- getting picks for Gerald Wallace, scoring the extra pick to get Byiombo, etc. Their current roster is just really bad now and they have to hit a couple home runs (plus some singles and doubles) in the upcoming drafts even to return to .500.

[Jasong7777]

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Yes they do

MJ is the new owner and he hired what is considered a pretty good GM in Rich Cho to help plan for the teams future.

If I didnt know what was going on with the team and im asking you why you made that comment, you don't know enough to educate me on whats really happening with them besides a bland blanket statement like get rid of MJ


Its comments like this on OS that don't fly because it comes out immediately that not only have you not paid much attention to their front office or their plans but you'd rather jump on the wagon about getting rid of someone because of a lost season.

We can't have much of a real discussion on this team like that besides throwing up blanket criticisms right?

I'm not saying that I have any ideas on how to fix the Bobcats. All i'm saying is I don't think MJ does either. I guess we'll know in 5 years.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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If Jordan wants to help turn the team around, then he NEEDS to let the Basketball People handle the Basketball Issues and not get involved in it unless it's time to sign the checks.

He's been Owner for 2 years already and he hasn't shown me anything or said anything to make me think he'll be able to help make that team relevant. If this was his first time ever doing this then I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Now, yes MJ took over and really this year was a tank job, anybody can see that, and I posted something above that gives a bit of a summary as to why.

Hiring Rich Cho was a fine idea IMO.... aint that right Pack?

building this team through the draft is what its going to have to do, because what they were built into previously was nothing but less than mediocre purgatory.

Im not arguing for Jordan, but if you have no clue what to do, or can;t even offer a true suggestion, then you have little to no reason coming in with mindless banter about who to get rid of and can't even explain why, Jason

[Jasong7777]

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Ok 23........

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Hiring Rich Cho was a fine idea IMO.... aint that right Pack?

It's a fine idea as long as MJ doesn't get involved.

If he does then well...it's just status quo because I've seen this movie before when it comes to Jordan getting involved in Basketball decisions and that didn't end well. But luckily for him, he'll be under a CBA where he benefits regardless of if his team does well or not.

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It's a fine idea as long as MJ doesn't get involved.

If he does then well...it's just status quo because I've seen this movie before when it comes to Jordan getting involved in Basketball decisions and that didn't end well. But luckily for him, he'll be under a CBA where he benefits regardless of if his team does well or not.

Well again, as where this conversation started, let it ride and see what happens. Nobody hires a GM for no reason, and a team like the Cats needed alot when it was sold.

Building through the draft and getting rid of all of your bad contracts is the way to go when you have no way to option to do anything else.

Biyombo, and Walker along with a new GM is a start...adding a bunch of picks and dropping your cap is also a good thing

If you're going to judge the ownership about what they shouldn't do, go ahead and admit those moves they were already involved in were not bad at all....they just have to start all over.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Again, that sounds good. But I'll believe when I actually see either results or some progress get made. For their sake, they better hope they get either of the top 2 picks in the Draft.

But with MJ, it's all talk to me just like The Russian is all talk to me right now.

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Again, that sounds good. But I'll believe when I actually see either results or some progress get made. For their sake, they better hope they get either of the top 2 picks in the Draft.

But with MJ, it's all talk to me just like The Russian is all talk to me right now.

Since when was rebuilding a team an overnight thing?

Look at your Nets team since Jason Kidd left...what have they done?

Point being its not as simple as you're making it out to be, but it does take wise decisions to get out of a hole.

Originally the point was what would you do, not I'll believe it when I see it. That crap answer of just get rid of MJ was a bunch of nonsense.

What is the solution here if you dont think building through the draft is the way to go... Cleveland had to do something similar, but they did have a couple of pieces they used for trades.

[Jonesy]

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Bobcats are doing what they need to do imo ie suck as much as possible, stockpile draft picks and cap room.

No point being stuck as a middle tier team all the time like the Hawks or Rockets. As long as they draft well (wasn't MJ responsible for Kwame on the Wiz?) they should be able to (hopefully) follow the OKC model for building a successful small market team and build through the draft first then add free agents etc that compliment the draft picks.

The only problem I have with MJ so far is his fashion sense.

[Drewski]

Since when was rebuilding a team an overnight thing?

Look at your Nets team since Jason Kidd left...what have they done?

Point being its not as simple as you're making it out to be, but it does take wise decisions to get out of a hole.

Originally the point was what would you do, not I'll believe it when I see it. That crap answer of just get rid of MJ was a bunch of nonsense.

What is the solution here if you dont think building through the draft is the way to go... Cleveland had to do something similar, but they did have a couple of pieces they used for trades.

On that point first thing id do in the off season is shop Maggette on his expiring to get any piece to work towards the future. Not saying they can get a premium piece or anything close to that for him but a young project or a late 1st/2nd round pick. Or if I could partner Tyrus Thomas contract (that being the prize for the Bobcats) with Maggettes expiring id push for that. Also, the next coach needs to be picked carefully and needs to be fully endorsed by the upper all the way to Jordan

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LOL@ Jonesy

I think the solutions you posted are very good ones Drewski, same as you Jonesy

It looks like thats the way they're headed too..


Starting all over can be ugly but if done right it can work out, and you can't just end up like OKC without pieces and getting someone on the level of a KD first

[Boltman]

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Chris Anderson's Home searched and property seized in child porn investigation

Denver's 9news is reporting: Nuggets center Chris "Birdman" Andersen's house was investigated by Douglas County Sheriff's Department officers today as part of an investigation by the Internet Crimes Against Children division.

From the comments on the link...

ICAC is noted for its heated inter-departmental rivalry with the Illicit, Pornographic & Exploitative Crimes Against Children division, which handles only the most physically-revolting cases.

Don't know if that's accurate or not but... damn.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Since when was rebuilding a team an overnight thing?

Look at your Nets team since Jason Kidd left...what have they done?

Point being its not as simple as you're making it out to be, but it does take wise decisions to get out of a hole.

Originally the point was what would you do, not I'll believe it when I see it. That crap answer of just get rid of MJ was a bunch of nonsense.

What is the solution here if you dont think building through the draft is the way to go... Cleveland had to do something similar, but they did have a couple of pieces they used for trades.

Putting words in my mouth for things I never even said and I don't even know why LOL. I'll go ahead and break your post down one by one with MY responses:

1. Where in my posts did I EVER say it was an overnight thing? I'll wait...

2. What have they done since Kidd left? Not a damn thing except the fact that we had an Owner who was just like MJ in that he didn't want to spend a dime on this team and that's why Kidd left in the first place. He seen the signs and got out just in time and I don't blame him.

3. The only thing I said was that he needs to let the Basketball People handle the Basketball related issues aka let the GM handle that side so what exactly is difficult about MJ falling back and doing that? Didn't say nothing about firing the owner or anything close to that at all. I agreed hiring Rich Cho as GM was a fine move...as long as MJ doesn't get involved in any of the basketball decisions outside of signing the checks.

4. I answered that question already and I didn't say anything about firing anybody like Jason did.(Not even sure why it was a big deal anyway)

Again, if people want to take the wait and see approach then go ahead. Me personally, I'll take the "I'll believe when I see it" route, especially when it comes to anything Basketball related from Jordan because I've seen and read this same book from him before and it didn't end well.

[bomberooski]

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Finally read that Grantland article about Greg Oden and as a die hard Blazers fan I'm still so so mad about the whole thing.

What a sad story about Oden and the drinking problem mixed with his personality. I'm just really really pissed (as I have been for a few years) at Jay Jensen and the Blazers medical staff.