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[Dice]

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I didn’t watch the game but I watched the fight many time. From my understanding, there were a lot of hard fouls during the game that lead to Wallace and Artest escalating the issue. Anybody think this could have been prevented if the refs would have issued warnings and ejections during the course of the game?

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The catalyst was Ben Wallace not being able to let a borderline flagrant foul go.

Instead you see him going Hulk out there for no apparent reason.

Ron was an idiot for laying there, but how can you say that was the catalyst? He was laying down surrounded by coaches, not threatening anyone. Come on. Haha.

You should never go into the stands, but fans should never throw anything at a player. Once one of those rules is broken, you can bet the other will be broken shortly after. Simple science.

BTW, funny how the Portland/Golden State game is hardly ever talked about.

The main catalyst was the dude who threw the bottle not Ben Wallace

Wallace grabbing Ron by the throat was not the leading factor to him running in the stands

Unless you're wacko, you cant slip in and out of sanity like that... one guy hits me, I go lay down on a table, an other guy hits me, I run into the audience

[Drewski]

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The catalyst was Ben Wallace not being able to let a borderline flagrant foul go.

Instead you see him going Hulk out there for no apparent reason.

Ron was an idiot for laying there, but how can you say that was the catalyst? He was laying down surrounded by coaches, not threatening anyone. Come on. Haha.

BTW, funny how the Portland/Golden State game is hardly ever talked about.

You should never go into the stands, but fans should never throw anything at a player. Once one of those rules is broken, you can bet the other will be broken shortly after. Simple science.

Put himself in a position where he simply didnt belong. Have you ever seen anyone else ever lay on the table like that?

Fouls happen.

Fan heckling happens.

Players laying on tables? If he hadn't done that things could have potentially been averted.

Just my take. Not dismissing the fan who threw the cup at him and "forgot the laws of physics", but things could have been handled (or completely avoided) had he not been laying there for -no- reason.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Put himself in a position where he simply didnt belong. Have you ever seen anyone else ever lay on the table like that?

Fouls happen.

Fan heckling happens.

Players laying on tables? If he hadn't done that things could have potentially been averted.

Just my take. Not dismissing the fan who threw the cup at him and "forgot the laws of physics", but things could have been handled (or completely avoided) had he not been laying there for -no- reason.

I've never seen anyone lay on a scorers table no, but that surely doesn't make that action the catalyst. That honestly makes zero sense.

Just because you lay down on the table doesn't mean you're inciting the crowd to throw objects at you. Nevermind he even had coaches surrounding him as well.

Honestly you're not making much sense here. Nobody ever said fouls and heckling never happen.

When you throw beer at someone, expect there to be a fight. Pretty simple, at least to me.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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To be fair, let's not just point the finger at one person(Ron)if we're going to say things could've been avoided. Let's think about that for a sec, peoples.

[DukeC]

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Put himself in a position where he simply didnt belong. Have you ever seen anyone else ever lay on the table like that?

Fouls happen.

Fan heckling happens.

Players laying on tables? If he hadn't done that things could have potentially been averted.

Just my take. Not dismissing the fan who threw the cup at him and "forgot the laws of physics", but things could have been handled (or completely avoided) had he not been laying there for -no- reason.

So...it's Ron's fault because a fan can't behave himself? How did Ron do anything to piss off the fan to the extent that he would throw something at him?

He didn't.

I just don't understand how:

Player laying on table > Fan throwing something > Player retaliates = Player's fault.

That's the equivalent of:

Drewski comments> DukeC trolls > Drewski retailiates = Drewski banned

See how that doesn't make sense? It's the fan (and/or Ben's) fault for inciting the situation. Just like it would be my fault if I went on a trolling spree.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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And if ya'll read the article, it also says that Ben wasn't backing off either. He still kept coming at Ron and if it wasn't for Mike Brown getting in between, then who's to say it wouldn't have gotten worse than it already was up to that point?

[Drewski]

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All of those other things could have happened and the fan scene could have been completely avoided, I'd venture. Ron being on the scorers table left him in a vulnerable position, and in a position where there was little separating him from the crowd. Highly doubt he would have been able to get to the stands if that same beer got thrown and he was surrounded by players who could have wrapped him up.

Don't think him being hit by a beer makes it ok, by any means. So to say when beer gets thrown EXPECT a fight makes little to no sense. Maybe out on the street. But they are in their professional setting.

[bigeastbumrush]

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All of those other things could have happened and the fan scene could have been completely avoided, I'd venture. Ron being on the scorers table left him in a vulnerable position, and in a position where there was little separating him from the crowd. Highly doubt he would have been able to get to the stands if that same beer got thrown and he was surrounded by players who could have wrapped him up.

Don't think him being hit by a beer makes it ok, by any means. So to say when beer gets thrown EXPECT a fight makes little to no sense. Maybe out on the street. But they are in their professional setting.

There was nothing "professional" about the Palace at Auburn Hills that night.

[Drewski]

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He had on a Pacers jersey right with an NBA logo, in the midst of an NBA game, right?

Just checking.

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So...it's Ron's fault because a fan can't behave himself? How did Ron do anything to piss off the fan to the extent that he would throw something at him?

He didn't.

I just don't understand how:

Player laying on table > Fan throwing something > Player retaliates = Player's fault.

That's the equivalent of:

Drewski comments> DukeC trolls > Drewski retailiates = Drewski banned

See how that doesn't make sense? It's the fan (and/or Ben's) fault for inciting the situation. Just like it would be my fault if I went on a trolling spree.

Depending on how Drewski retaliates he would be banned because he is supposed to use the report feature for the mods to handle the situation

BAD example on your end

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And if ya'll read the article, it also says that Ben wasn't backing off either. He still kept coming at Ron and if it wasn't for Mike Brown getting in between, then who's to say it wouldn't have gotten worse than it already was up to that point?

I say look at the video yourself

If it was just Ron and Ben then fine

I mean Melo slapped a guy and I dont remember the NYers getting involved in the altercation

In other words Ben still didnt make this guy run into the stands, and yes

Ron + Beer guy = insanity

[bigeastbumrush]

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He had on a Pacers jersey right with an NBA logo, in the midst of an NBA game, right?

Just checking.

If a fan sits courtside, walks over to the bench, spits on everyone of the players faces and jerseys with NBA logos on them in the midst of an NBA game, they must sit there on their hands and let security handle it?

Dude...you can be at work in an office and if someone, anyone, violates you...they should be prepared for the consequences of their actions.

I'm sure there's no stipulation in an NBA contract that says you give up your rights as a human being when the whistle is blown.

Buying a ticket to a sporting event doesn't give you free access to step over every civil right known to man.

[DukeC]

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All of those other things could have happened and the fan scene could have been completely avoided, I'd venture. Ron being on the scorers table left him in a vulnerable position, and in a position where there was little separating him from the crowd. Highly doubt he would have been able to get to the stands if that same beer got thrown and he was surrounded by players who could have wrapped him up.

Don't think him being hit by a beer makes it ok, by any means. So to say when beer gets thrown EXPECT a fight makes little to no sense. Maybe out on the street. But they are in their professional setting.

1st Bolded: So...what you're saying is...fans can do anything they want with no reprecussions? That's what you're saying when you lay the all the blame at Ron's feet.

2nd Bolded: And that's where I got my assumption from. Because of that right there. Being a spectator doesn't excuse the fan from throwing a beer. But you're not blaming him, the fan, equally, you're just piling on Ron.

3rd Bolded: That still doesn't give the fan(s) license to do stupid ****. Which is why if you can't hold your beer at a sporting event, don't drink.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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**** the table, man.

He could be standing up, doing a handstand or doing some cartwheels but if YOU(Joe the Fan)throw something at a PLAYER onto the court, but if you really expect anything less a confrontation, then I don't what to tell you.

It's one thing to talk trash to a player, call him all types of names that's NOT the 'N' word and whatnot, that's fair game. But once you go tossing objects on to the floor, no matter WHERE the player is at, then you can't expect nothing NOT to happen. You might as well be spitting on them if you're doing all of that.

Of course Ron is going to take the hit for ALL of this because big picture, he went into the crowd. BUT, I also do know that he's not alone in this either and that other action could've and should've been taken prior, especially if other players and coaches had seen during the game that it was already starting to get out of hand.