Derrick Rose

[PrettyT11]

Re: Derek Rose

Forgot to add that I can't believe you are going to say that aside from the decision show all of the hype around LeBron and those guys was media made. I'm sorry but when LeBron mentions multiple times before he even became a free agent how great of a day July 1st is going to be or how it's going to change the NBA he is just as much at fault as the media. Not to mention the press conference to tell the world he is opting out when we all knew it already was on his shoulders as well.

Then you have Bosh who had a film crew follow him 24/7 talking about he wanted to make a movie out of bis free agency. Or how about all the teams he pissed off in meeting because he was more worried about being filmed than talking business. Is that on the media too??

That doesn't even get into the whole championship party they had before ever even playing a game together. I guess that was media made hype too huh??

[Bumi]

Re: Derek Rose

Ok Bumi either you failed to read my first post in response to this or you again have chosen to read what you want and are trying to make up the rest. I never said they acted any differently than Paul or Howard. I never once used either one of those guys names. I was specifically talking about LeBron, Wade, and Bosh and how they went about their first extension.

Secondly again get your facts right. Both LeBron and Wade both made comments about how only signing for three years gave them the quickest chance at unrestricted free agency and the big big pay day. Not only did they release comments on it their agents did as well and they also tried to talk Melo into doing the same thing. So please save me the long post about nothing if you aren't even going to take the time to read what was posted.

You want to address only Bosh, LeBron, and Wade. That's cool. Your prerogative. Thread isn't about them though. It's about, and allow me to quote the OP, the "I want to only play with superstars and create another freaking superteam club.", and "this era of nba where every superstar only wants to play with friends, superstars, and blah, blah."

Excuse me for remaining on topic.

Also, if you wouldn't mind, could you provide me with the links to all the comments Wade, LeBron, and their agents made upon them signing their initial extensions? I'd love to see them.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Derek Rose

So again we're going to act like setting up to be unrestricted free agents at the EXACT SAME time meant nothing right? Nothing at all? So if Melo had agreed to do his deal like Wade and Bron's it wouldn't be Melo, Bron and Wade down in South Beach instead of replacement Bosh? Okay.

As pointed out, I think there's something to be said of Derrick not wanting any opt outs put in his contract so that he could play the full five years. I just think this dude is different.

[Bumi]

Re: Derek Rose

So again we're going to act like setting up to be unrestricted free agents at the EXACT SAME time meant nothing right? Nothing at all? So if Melo had agreed to do his deal like Wade and Bron's it wouldn't be Melo, Bron and Wade down in South Beach instead of replacement Bosh? Okay.

So, they're bad guys because they wanted to play with friends? Friends that gave them a better chance at post season success? Again, I don't see why they should be vilified. I don't see why people are so offended by players extracting their contractual rights in a league where the owners treat players as little more than hired hands. People have no qualm with Big Shot Billups being treated like trash by multiple organizations, but we're up in arms about players choosing where they want to play, and whom they want to play with. As I said earlier, that's bogus.

As pointed out, I think there's something to be said of Derrick not wanting any opt outs put in his contract so that he could play the full five years. I just think this dude is different.

He is. He was drafted to Chicago instead of Cleveland, Toronto, or New Orleans. Suffice to say if he were unfortunate enough to be drafted to one of the latter, as opposed to the former, he'd have clause in his contract giving him the option to opt out after three years.

If OKC were a terrible team, Durant would be gone when his rookie extension was up. And I wouldn't blame em.

Can't wait for John Wall to hit free agency, in fact.

[J_Dub93]

Re: Derek Rose

I love D-Rose, he is a freak and an awesome athlete. I agree that he is humble, I love the guys attitude. But in my mind you can be humble, but still leave a team is devoted to you and you to them. Sports is a business, these guys get paid for what they do. If your team is not doing well, and you have the opportunity to get a bigger and better job and salary on a winning team, it is juts like a promotion is any other job. You are going to take it. Rose is one of those guys that plays for the love of the game, or at least he gives off that vibe. I believe it and I admire that in him.

[Bumi]

Re: Derek Rose

Forgot to add that I can't believe you are going to say that aside from the decision show all of the hype around LeBron and those guys was media made. I'm sorry but when LeBron mentions multiple times before he even became a free agent how great of a day July 1st is going to be or how it's going to change the NBA he is just as much at fault as the media.

I remember LeBron saying, emphatically, and multiple times, that he was staying with Cleveland. That didn't stop the media from speculating, two years before, on how he'd look as a New York Knick. Or speculating on whether or not his relationship with Jay Z would land him in Brooklyn.

Not to mention the press conference to tell the world he is opting out when we all knew it already was on his shoulders as well.

I wont defend the decision. I've already criticized it for what it was. A joke. However, I have no issue with him signing with Miami.

Then you have Bosh who had a film crew follow him 24/7 talking about he wanted to make a movie out of bis free agency. Or how about all the teams he pissed off in meeting because he was more worried about being filmed than talking business. Is that on the media too??

Yes. The film crew is media. It wouldn't be a story if the media hadn't made it a story. There wouldn't be a market for it.

That doesn't even get into the whole championship party they had before ever even playing a game together. I guess that was media made hype too huh??

That has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

[1Rose]

Re: Derek Rose

So, they're bad guys because they wanted to play with friends? Friends that gave them a better chance at post season success? Again, I don't see why they should be vilified. I don't see why people are so offended by players extracting their contractual rights in a league where the owners treat players as little more than hired hands. People have no qualm with Big Shot Billups being treated like trash by multiple organizations, but we're up in arms about players choosing where they want to play, and whom they want to play with. As I said earlier, that's bogus.

Maybe you're missing the part when he single handedly handcuffed an organization, by not giving them a definitive answer on what he was going to, to allow them to plan for the future. I don't want to hear this crap where no one wants to play in Cleveland. If he told them he was going to be there, they could have made moves. With no long term guarantee, no one wanted to go there if they were going to be in full out rebuild mode, especially with all the rumors feeding the fire and LeBron saying nothing about it.

If you want to switch teams, go ahead, but at least have some integrity and respect for an organization who gave you an opportunity to play the game of basketball.

[Bumi]

Re: Derek Rose

Maybe you're missing the part when he single handedly handcuffed an organization, by not giving them a definitive answer on what he was going to, to allow them to plan for the future. I don't want to hear this crap where no one wants to play in Cleveland. If he told them he was going to be there, they could have made moves. With no long term guarantee, no one wanted to go there if they were going to be in full out rebuild mode, especially with all the rumors feeding the fire and LeBron saying nothing about it.

If you want to switch teams, go ahead, but at least have some integrity and respect for an organization who gave you an opportunity to play the game of basketball.

Maybe you're missing the part about this thread not solely being about LeBron James? Maybe you missed the part, multiple parts I might add, where I criticized LeBron James myself?

And forgive me for scoffing at the tidbit about showing some integrity and respect to the organization who gave him the "opportunity" to play basketball. If they hadn't drafted him, someone else would have, and they would have been glad to. If anything, the Cavs should forever be indebted to LBJ for the opportunity at relevance he gave them. Obviously, they needed him a lot more than he needed the Cavs.

Also, I find it funny that no one mentions integrity and respect when players, vets at that, are being amnestied left and right. Or, in LO's case, traded when he aided in bringing a city and organization multiple titles. But, it's cool when players aren't given the option to "plan for their futures". You here little more than crickets when organizations fail to notify players that they're being traded.

[Hotobu]

Re: Derek Rose

What I don't understand is why the notion that players should be "loyal" is at all valid.

A kid grows up in Baltimore, goes to school in New York and gets drafted by Denver should for some reason be loyal to the Nuggets?

Why the hell should Chris Paul feel loyal to the Hornets?

Lebron grew up in Akron not Cleveland and even if he did he doesn't owe that city ****. The whole "rep your city/hood" notion is equally bull****, but that's a divergent topic.

Owners and teams can cut and trade players when it suits them and "that's business," but players having designs on going to specific teams makes them spoiled disloyal brats? If anything Paul and Anthony did their franchises a favor by letting them know that they wouldn't be back. At least the Nuggets and Hornets got something in return. Phoenix, Cleveland, and Toronto are holes in the ground because they lost players with pretty much nothing in return. Compare them to the Nuggets which are a playoff team, and the Hornets that got a future All-Star, a potentially great pick, a very good center, and a player with good potential. The Nuggets and Hornets are in a better position to be good again given the right moves than the Raptors, Suns, and Cavs (Cavs rookies CAN be good though).

I also don't blame Lebron for orchestrating his situation to whatever degree that he did. If go to the park and get in a pickup game where I'm the best player on my team, and lose a couple of close games, but have the chance to jump on the team with my boys who I know are better you think I'm gonna still run with that scrub squad because of some bull**** loyalty? ...Seriously I doubt anyone would.

If you want to switch teams, go ahead, but at least have some integrity and respect for an organization who gave you an opportunity to play the game of basketball.

BS - Do you know how many players have said that they heard they got traded because they were watching Sportcenter, or because their friend called them to tell them about it? I hear this a lot. Until teams are required or expected to give players notice why the hell should players give their teams notice? Also however ill conceived the whole "The Decision" nonsense was if he'd told Cleveland he was leaving word of it would have gotten out and weakened the production (BTW you have the benefit of hindsight so don't talk about how bad it actually was.)
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On Derrick Rose specifically I'm not going to call him "different", or commend him in the least. He's a great player and deserves all of that money. His team has gotten better pretty much every year, and he's in a great city. Why would he have ANY reason to be unhappy right now?

[Bumi]

Re: Derek Rose

What I don't understand is why the notion that players should be "loyal" is at all valid.

A kid grows up in Baltimore, goes to school in New York and gets drafted by Denver should for some reason be loyal to the Nuggets?

Why the hell should Chris Paul feel loyal to the Hornets?

Lebron grew up in Akron not Cleveland and even if he did he doesn't owe that city ****. The whole "rep your city/hood" notion is equally bull****, but that's a divergent topic.

Owners and teams can cut and trade players when it suits them and "that's business," but players having designs on going to specific teams makes them spoiled disloyal brats? If anything Paul and Anthony did their franchises a favor by letting them know that they wouldn't be back. At least the Nuggets and Hornets got something in return. Phoenix, Cleveland, and Toronto are holes in the ground because they lost players with pretty much nothing in return. Compare them to the Nuggets which are a playoff team, and the Hornets that got a future All-Star, a potentially great pick, a very good center, and a player with good potential. The Nuggets and Hornets are in a better position to be good again given the right moves than the Raptors, Suns, and Cavs (Cavs rookies CAN be good though).

I also don't blame Lebron for orchestrating his situation to whatever degree that he did. If go to the park and get in a pickup game where I'm the best player on my team, and lose a couple of close games, but have the chance to jump on the team with my boys who I know are better you think I'm gonna still run with that scrub squad because of some bull**** loyalty? ...Seriously I doubt anyone would.




BS - Do you know how many players have said that they heard they got traded because they were watching Sportcenter, or because their friend called them to tell them about it? I hear this a lot. Until teams are required or expected to give players notice why the hell should players give their teams notice? Also however ill conceived the whole "The Decision" nonsense was if he'd told Cleveland he was leaving word of it would have gotten out and weakened the production (BTW you have the benefit of hindsight so don't talk about how bad it actually was.)
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On Derrick Rose specifically I'm not going to call him "different", or commend him in the least. He's a great player and deserves all of that money. His team has gotten better pretty much every year, and he's in a great city. Why would he have ANY reason to be unhappy right now?

Excellent, marvelous, stupendous.

[Colts18]

Re: Derek Rose

Right now is the key word. LeBron was happy after year 3 as well. Let us see where Rose's mind will be if he is ringless come year 8.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Derek Rose

The crazy part about all this and people saying "oh wait 5 years, you'll see" is I can see someone bumping this up in exactly 5 years just to say "See I told you so, I proved you guys wrong, HAHAHAHA LOOOOOLLL".

That's just how **** usually works on OS since I've been on here LOL.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Derek Rose

Why is this so hard to grasp for people? They're bad guys cause they wanna play with they're friends? No they're bad guys for acting like jackasses in their pursuit to do it. My biggest problem with the whole thing besides the way these guys are acting to pull off this stuff is the fact that this is the ****ing NBA. This league is about having the best basketball talent in the world battling to determine a champion. It's about showcasing the competition of basketball between the greatest players in the world. Not watching the greatest players in the world use the buddy system to beat down on the bottom rung of best players in the world. Oh yeah can't wait to see Bron, Wade and Bosh team up to beat down Javale McGee and Jordan Crawford. I'm soooooo looking forward to Melo, Amar'e and CP3 smashing Demar Derozen and Leandro Barbosa. Awesome stuff right there. Is it fun/cool watching D-Wade throw full court alley-oops to LeBron? Sure it is, it's an amazing sight, but all that **** I don't believe is good for the league long term.

Oh and LOL at acting like Chicago was some sort of automatic assurance for Rose he'd be in a good situation. Guess if you didn't personally get to experience the Marcus Fizer era of Bulls management you'll just never understand. That and top line free agents still don't want to sign here cause of the crap Jerry Krause used to pull here.

EDIT: Forgot to add....can you people please point out when ANYBODY on this forum has ever been okay with teams not notifying players of being traded? And how the **** you guys going to bring up guys getting amnestied as some kind of argument in your favor. You do realize that they still get paid they're FULL contract for getting amnestied right? You do realize that if you've been amnestied it's because you either completely suck *** or you aren't coming close to living up to the contract you've been given? You're aware of these facts right?

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: Derek Rose

Most fans only care about watching the best players on biggest stage. Nobody outside of hardcore fans gives a damn about Jordab Crawdord, Javale McGee, Derozan, ect. Buts seeing LBJ, DWade and company play Melo and Amare or CP3 and Blake or KB, Gasol and the Lakers or even KD, Russell Westbrook and the Thunder? Forget about it. And lets not for a second act like the NBA has ever been this land flowing with parity and talent for all. Over the past 25 years there have only been 4-5 teams with a shot at winning a title in any given year. Nobody hated it during the 80's or the 90's when you had mostly the same teams winnging it all. As long as the high stakes rounds are competetive everything is peaches and cream.

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: Derek Rose

*Jordan Crawford