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  • Rocky
    All Star
    • Jul 2002
    • 6896

    #1

    I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

    Has there ever been a great player/champion more overlooked than Dirk Nowitzki? I mean every article/TV show/even posts here have almost completely forgot how dominant he was last season. How he dominated EVERY defender put on him (only player in the NBA you can truly say that about). How he 100% stepped up to the challenge of being the man.

    There are Top 10 player lists with Durant or Melo being ahead of him....and I am simply like did anybody actually watch the games last year?

    It's just kinda frustrating when great players don't get their due.
    "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
    -Rocky Balboa
  • Hotobu
    MVP
    • Sep 2008
    • 1438

    #2
    Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

    Top 10 list? He's not now, nor has he ever been the best player in the league. If you think otherwise the problem isn't with everyone else it's with you. He had a great run that resulted in a championship, but what's that got to do with a top 10 list? Teams win championships not players.

    On the subject of teams last year's Mavericks team was an OLD team that lost a lot of key players. Tyson Chandler alone was huge, but JJ Barea, Caron Butler (so what he didn't play in the playoffs, but he helped them get there and he's still god), and Deshawn Stevenson are big losses. Lamar Odom doesn't make up for all of those losses. But the other young teams that they beat (OKC and the Heat) have only gotten better, and the Bulls are out there lurking too. To top it all off Dirk and the Mavs got plenty of pub in the offseason which is when they should have gotten it.

    This is a new season. Dirk ain't the best player, and there's no reason to believe that team will contend again this year. What's there to talk about?

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    • loloben
      Pro
      • May 2010
      • 672

      #3
      Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

      Did you forget about Tim Duncan? He's one of the best Power Forwards ever and has won four championships, but he isn't in any of the greatest player of all time discussions.
      "My body could stand the crutches but my mind couldn't stand the sideline"- Michael Jordan

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      • Rocky
        All Star
        • Jul 2002
        • 6896

        #4
        Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

        Originally posted by Hotobu
        Top 10 list? He's not now, nor has he ever been the best player in the league. If you think otherwise the problem isn't with everyone else it's with you. He had a great run that resulted in a championship, but what's that got to do with a top 10 list? Teams win championships not players.

        On the subject of teams last year's Mavericks team was an OLD team that lost a lot of key players. Tyson Chandler alone was huge, but JJ Barea, Caron Butler (so what he didn't play in the playoffs, but he helped them get there and he's still god), and Deshawn Stevenson are big losses. Lamar Odom doesn't make up for all of those losses. But the other young teams that they beat (OKC and the Heat) have only gotten better, and the Bulls are out there lurking too. To top it all off Dirk and the Mavs got plenty of pub in the offseason which is when they should have gotten it.

        This is a new season. Dirk ain't the best player, and there's no reason to believe that team will contend again this year. What's there to talk about?
        Why isn't he the best player in the league? Why is it so inconceivable that he could be that...especially when he SHOWED that he was the best player on the court by far against so many guys that we consider "better"?
        "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
        -Rocky Balboa

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        • Hotobu
          MVP
          • Sep 2008
          • 1438

          #5
          Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

          Originally posted by Rocky
          Why isn't he the best player in the league? Why is it so inconceivable that he could be that...especially when he SHOWED that he was the best player on the court by far against so many guys that we consider "better"?
          The answer to that is easy. You don't get to be the best player in the league overnight, and the NBA finals = overnight. They may be the biggest stage in basketball, but they were still only 6 games. Six games don't outdo the other 90 that proceeded them. Say what you will about "Dirk being Dirk," but he was hot that whole playoffs. I'm not saying it was a fluke, but hotstreaks don't carry over across offseasons. Also Dirk only plays at one end of the court. Wade and Lebron are easily top 3 defenders at their positions as well. How many PFs do you have to go through before you get to Dirk's name as a defender?

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          • ScoobySnax
            #faceuary2014
            • Mar 2009
            • 7624

            #6
            Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

            Originally posted by Hotobu
            The answer to that is easy. You don't get to be the best player in the league overnight, and the NBA finals = overnight. They may be the biggest stage in basketball, but they were still only 6 games. Six games don't outdo the other 90 that proceeded them. Say what you will about "Dirk being Dirk," but he was hot that whole playoffs. I'm not saying it was a fluke, but hotstreaks don't carry over across offseasons. Also Dirk only plays at one end of the court. Wade and Lebron are easily top 3 defenders at their positions as well. How many PFs do you have to go through before you get to Dirk's name as a defender?
            I'm sorry, but Dirk's journey to being Finals Champion was definitely not overnight. People talk about Dirk defensively, but I can't recall him being consistently abused on that side of the ball. He took over games when his counterparts could not. He's been putting in work for a long time. Dude is a beast. Period.
            Originally posted by J. Cole
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            • RedSceptile
              MVP
              • Jun 2011
              • 3680

              #7
              Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

              Dirk isn't a horrible defender any more. He's average but plays with savvy. This isn't 5 years ago he's progressively gotten better statistics and my own two damn eyes prove this. Hell there are a lot of other great players who were average if not horrible defenders but no one rates them any lower.

              I give the guy his respect where it should be, don't belittle him for naught.

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              • Hotobu
                MVP
                • Sep 2008
                • 1438

                #8
                Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

                Originally posted by ScoobySnax
                I'm sorry, but Dirk's journey to being Finals Champion was definitely not overnight. People talk about Dirk defensively, but I can't recall him being consistently abused on that side of the ball. He took over games when his counterparts could not. He's been putting in work for a long time. Dude is a beast. Period.
                The only thing I'm sorry about is that people don't pay attention to the conversation in which they're replying to then, in turn, respond to stuff out of context. That cherry-picked line was in response to the claim that he outplayed Lebron and Wade in the finals, and therefore he's better. That he did, but that was only 6 games. As for not getting abused on defense; who said anything about getting abused? I said that he's not an elite defender at his position. Lebron and Wade are easily top 3 at their positions Dirk isn't.

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                • LingeringRegime
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 17089

                  #9
                  Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

                  Don't matter what the guy does he will never get respect from some people, .

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                  • ScoobySnax
                    #faceuary2014
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 7624

                    #10
                    Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

                    Originally posted by Hotobu
                    The only thing I'm sorry about is that people don't pay attention to the conversation in which they're replying to then, in turn, respond to stuff out of context. That cherry-picked line was in response to the claim that he outplayed Lebron and Wade in the finals, and therefore he's better. That he did, but that was only 6 games. As for not getting abused on defense; who said anything about getting abused? I said that he's not an elite defender at his position. Lebron and Wade are easily top 3 at their positions Dirk isn't.
                    1) You're out of your mind if you think Dallas isn't contending for a title this year.
                    2) I'll give you Wade as a top 3 defender at the SG spot, Lebron is not.
                    3) Anyway, the talk about who's the best in the league is subjective. If you say Player X is the best, someone will have reasons for why he's not.
                    Originally posted by J. Cole
                    Fool me one time that's shame on you. Fool me twice can't put the blame on you. Fool me three times, **** the peace sign, load the chopper let it rain on you.
                    PSN: xxplosive1984
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                    • Hotobu
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1438

                      #11
                      Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

                      Originally posted by DEFTFUNDAMENTALZ
                      Don't matter what the guy does he will never get respect from some people, .
                      Yeah calling someone a Top 10 player is SOOO disrespectful.

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                      • LingeringRegime
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 17089

                        #12
                        Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

                        Originally posted by Hotobu
                        Yeah calling someone a Top 10 player is SOOO disrespectful.
                        Did I mention that in my post? No. I didn't even read what you said.

                        Just the general disrespect that Dirk gets. He won the MVP once in the regular season, he won the Finals MVP this past season, against a team that was picked by ALL the experts to blow away the Mavs.

                        Yet, people still don't give him the respect he deserves.

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                        • ex carrabba fan
                          I'll thank him for you
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 32744

                          #13
                          Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

                          Originally posted by Hotobu
                          Yeah calling someone a Top 10 player is SOOO disrespectful.
                          I get what you're saying, and I think Dirk has always been considered a top 10 player for the most part, but there does come a time when even a top 10 player can be "disrespected".

                          I don't like the word disrespected in this case because I think that's a bit much, but Dirk has definitely been a player that has been perhaps overlooked a bit.

                          Fortunately for him, IMO I think the history books will hold him in high regard.

                          They'll look back on his highlights/stats/ring[s] and say he was one of the best PF's of his era.

                          One last thing, to say Dallas won't compete for a title is beyond foolish.

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                          • Hotobu
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1438

                            #14
                            Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

                            Originally posted by DEFTFUNDAMENTALZ
                            Did I mention that in my post? No. I didn't even read what you said.

                            Just the general disrespect that Dirk gets. He won the MVP once in the regular season, he won the Finals MVP this past season, against a team that was picked by ALL the experts to blow away the Mavs.

                            Yet, people still don't give him the respect he deserves.
                            You didn't have to read my post. When you give out generic unqualified lines like "people don't give him the respect he deserves" then it's assumed you're talking directly to the OP, and if you read the OP's post he mentions his placement in people's top 10 lists which is a ranking that I don't think any sports media outlet would have him out of.
                            Last edited by Hotobu; 12-24-2011, 02:23 PM.

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                            • LingeringRegime
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 17089

                              #15
                              Re: I normally don't buy NBA players getting disrespected but....

                              Originally posted by Hotobu
                              Yo didn't have to read my post. When you give out generic unqualified lines like "people don't give him the respect he deserves" then it's assumed you're talking directly to the OP, and if you read the OP's post he mentions his placement in people's top 10 lists.
                              I don't get caught up in lists. They are all subjective and are mostly a waste of time.

                              I just know that hearing all the pre-season preview shows, the Mavs don't really get the love that they deserve.

                              For a defending champion they still seem to be flying under the radar.

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