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  • BlueNGold
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2009
    • 21817

    #1576
    Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

    Originally posted by Dice
    That's not a bad move by both teams. The Thunder still can maintain their championship contending status and Orlando wouldn't sink too far to the bottom.

    This Westbrook/Durant thing is going to screw things up if they don't get it together. Most people are blowing this off like it's nothing BUT I think this could potentially wreck their championship hopes. Your two superstars can't be arguing at each other during the game. I don't remember Kobe and Shaq arguing during the game while they were teammates. I may be wrong BUT Kobe and Shaq had some sort of level of respect during the game. They might have cussed each other out in the locker room and in practice BUT they know to keep their comments to themselves during the game. And to Kobe and Shaq credit, those guys did win 3 rings together. Westbrook and Durant haven't even gotten to the Finals yet and they're already bickering?
    Well all that said I personally feel like I was jumping the gun on that anyways. Those things happen in the heat of the moment.

    Different sport, I know, but there's a scene in one of those America's Game shows from the year the Colts won the Super Bowl. Peyton absolutely goes off on Jeff Saturday and some other guys, but in the end all was good. That could be the same case here for all we know.

    Also, this Thunder blog post details the incident pretty well.

    KD and Russ finished the game extremely well. Russ was passing Durant the ball according to the plays being called and there was no sign of resentment or tension. If there is something cancerous about their relationship, you certainly couldn’t tell by how they played together after halftime and cheered each other on the rest of the way.
    As I laid out in the above link, Westbrook and Kevin Durant got into a heated exchange on the bench during a second quarter timeout. It was as fierce as anything I’ve ever seen from the two publicly and the kind of scene that lends credence to the alleged beef between the two. It didn’t appear to have anything AT ALL to do with the rumored rift that so many seemingly wants to be true. But they had to be separated more than once as they lashed out at each other. Fans in the first few rows behind the bench even came to their feet as if a fight was breaking out. The two eventually sat at opposite ends of the five-man unit that was sitting while waiting on Thunder coach Scott Brooks to enter the huddle. But when Durant and Westbrook took the court, Durant walked over and patted Westbrook on the back of the head.
    Originally posted by bradtxmale
    I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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    • Gibbz
      All Star
      • Aug 2005
      • 8240

      #1577
      Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

      Originally posted by King_B_Mack
      I didn't get a chance to see the game, but I saw the video 23 posted. Looking at the video, the ball never came out of the bottom of the net. Doesn't the ball have to go through completely to get the points?
      If that's the case then it would still be goaltending.

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      • Hassan Darkside
        We Here
        • Sep 2003
        • 7561

        #1578
        Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

        Originally posted by King_B_Mack
        I didn't get a chance to see the game, but I saw the video 23 posted. Looking at the video, the ball never came out of the bottom of the net. Doesn't the ball have to go through completely to get the points?
        Since it hit Henderson's head before passing completely though the net, it'd be a goaltend at least wouldn't it?
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        • The 24th Letter
          ERA
          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #1579
          Originally posted by King_B_Mack
          I didn't get a chance to see the game, but I saw the video 23 posted. Looking at the video, the ball never came out of the bottom of the net. Doesn't the ball have to go through completely to get the points?
          Nah.

          If that were the case, you could have a man posted under the rim knocking balls out of the net all game lol

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          • tehova
            b**-r*y
            • Mar 2003
            • 3694

            #1580
            Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
            Nah.

            If that were the case, you could have a man posted under the rim knocking balls out of the net all game lol

            Which would be HILARIOUS
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            • Kruza
              Mainstream Outlaw
              • Jul 2002
              • 6285

              #1581
              Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

              Originally posted by BlueNGold
              Forgot to mention, Pistons fans should be excited to have Knight and Monroe. Those guys are going to be cornerstones of the franchise IMO. It's just too bad the rest of the team isn't as good.

              Also, Austin Daye....


              The Pistons actually have a few players to build around. But the main problem now is that many of our key guys are playing out of position. Greg Monroe is a natural 4 playing the 5, Jonas Jerebko is a natural 3 playing the 4. And the result of this dilemma is that our undersized forwards are routinely getting manhandled inside the paint defensively and on the rebounding front. This horrible domino effect can be solved if the team acquires a true starting quality center who can physically hold his own inside the paint on the defensive end and on the boards.

              There's also a bad domino roster effect that's taking place in the guard spots. Ben Gordon and Rodney Stuckey should really be the 6th and 7th men coming off the bench. But since this team currently has no legit starting 2 guard and our rookie guard Knight isn't ready yet to take over starting duty, both Stuckey and BG have to start instead. Jason Maxiell is garbage and I'm sure will eventually be replaced by Vernon Macklin once Macklin is ready. We are also missing the scoring punch that Charlie Villanueva could provide right now.

              And as for Austin Daye... heh, yeah you already summed his performance up nicely.

              Kruza

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              • BlueNGold
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2009
                • 21817

                #1582
                Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

                Originally posted by Kruza
                The Pistons actually have a few players to build around. But the main problem now is that many of our key guys are playing out of position. Greg Monroe is a natural 4 playing the 5, Jonas Jerebko is a natural 3 playing the 4. And the result of this dilemma is that our undersized forwards are routinely getting manhandled inside the paint defensively and on the rebounding front. This horrible domino effect can be solved if the team acquires a true starting quality center who can physically hold his own inside the paint on the defensive end and on the boards.

                There's also a bad domino roster effect that's taking place in the guard spots. Ben Gordon and Rodney Stuckey should really be the 6th and 7th men coming off the bench. But since this team currently has no legit starting 2 guard and our rookie guard Knight isn't ready yet to take over starting duty, both Stuckey and BG have to start instead. Jason Maxiell is garbage and I'm sure will eventually be replaced by Vernon Macklin once Macklin is ready. We are also missing the scoring punch that Charlie Villanueva could provide right now.

                And as for Austin Daye... heh, yeah you already summed his performance up nicely.

                Kruza
                I personally do like Gordon and Charlie V, but the contracts they have right now are ridiculous and overshadows the good they do bring.,

                Stuckey I'm just unsure of. Honestly I've never seen enough of him to make a fair judgement but I feel he's not much more than just a bench player if he were in a different situation.
                Originally posted by bradtxmale
                I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                • JaySmooov
                  Banned
                  • May 2011
                  • 1693

                  #1583
                  Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

                  I just get the feeling that Westbrook just feels he has to try to outdo or compete with Kevin Durant. Like, "Yeah, KD is the scoring champ, he's a star, but don't forget about ME either!"

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                  • Kruza
                    Mainstream Outlaw
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 6285

                    #1584
                    Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

                    Originally posted by Kobalt
                    I remember Rudy Fernandez just shooting nonstop, guess not. He's passing a lot.

                    Rudy Fernandez was actually running the point for a large part of that game last night. I couldn't believe the Jazz guards were not really pressuring him while he dribbled the ball up the court and set up the Nuggets halfcourt offense. They didn't really test out Fernandez's ballhandling skills enough for my liking.

                    Kruza

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                    • Champion8877
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 1518

                      #1585
                      Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12



                      i say stephen pretty much sums up the westbrook "issues" in this video. The thunder need his scoring, sure they got by last night without it, but most nights they need Westbrook, Durant, and Harden to all put up a good amount of points to win. and to say he takes away from Durant is absurd. if he took away from Durant then why is durant averaging 31 ppg so far this year? and how did he lead the league last year if westbrook took away from him that much? and why dont people say Wade takes away from Lebron or vise versa? its the same situation with 2 elite scorers over there and it works for them, why cant it work in OKC? i understand Westbrook as bad decision making, but he is young, give him some time.

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                      • ScoobySnax
                        #faceuary2014
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 7624

                        #1586
                        Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

                        I will forgive everything the Mavs have done thus far if they can get a win versus OKC tonight.
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                        • JaySmooov
                          Banned
                          • May 2011
                          • 1693

                          #1587
                          Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

                          Originally posted by Champion8877
                          http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/73...-clash-timeout

                          i say stephen pretty much sums up the westbrook "issues" in this video. The thunder need his scoring, sure they got by last night without it, but most nights they need Westbrook, Durant, and Harden to all put up a good amount of points to win. and to say he takes away from Durant is absurd. if he took away from Durant then why is durant averaging 31 ppg so far this year? and how did he lead the league last year if westbrook took away from him that much? and why dont people say Wade takes away from Lebron or vise versa? its the same situation with 2 elite scorers over there and it works for them, why cant it work in OKC? i understand Westbrook as bad decision making, but he is young, give him some time.
                          Westbrook doesn't take away from Durant, because Durant is gonna get his REGARDLESS, and we know this. Dude has a 7'5 wingspan, he's shooting over people. BUT, Westbrook takes away from the TEAM when he makes bad decisions.

                          Westbrook's main problem is his decision-making. He's averaged over 3 TOs as a point guard in his career. He averaged MORE turnovers last year (3.9) than in his rookie year (3.3). That is a problem, and really kind of intriguing since last year he averaged 8+ assists last year (Not really hard passing to KD though, but still...). Basically, Westbrook has not gotten any better managing the ball since his rookie year, and it's still showing this year, averaging 6 TOs this season.

                          I'll say it again, but I think Westbrook feels he has to compete with KD, in sort of a friendly way. I also think Russ kind of wants what KD has, even though they're friends, and that he kind of envies Durant in a way.

                          All Russ has to do is manage the ball better, because he can be a great fit with KD. I think the Thunder should possibly move Russ at the 2 at times, and bring in Eric Maynor at the point, until Russ can learn to not turn the ball over so much, because that's what's holding him back. Well, and his tendency to play "hero ball" .

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                          • PrettyT11
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 3220

                            #1588
                            Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

                            I know it is early and all so concrete statements can't really be made yet but Westbrook play so far has been horrible and stats wise it is even worse. He is shooting 31 percent(before last night it was 42) and has the same amount of turnovers as assists and it was actually worse before last night. When you look at his advanced stats his PER is 8.4, his offensive rating is a horrible 78 and his win shares are in the negative.

                            He has enormous amounts of talents but it seriously looks like his mental parts of game has regressed and his attitude has gotten worse. Somebody mentioned it yesterday but anytime a call is made against him ir he doesn't get one he acts like it's him against the world and his next play usually is a bad one. Those aren't good signs from a guy that they are looking to be a big part of their future.

                            I know people(manly ESPN and other tv people) or trying to overlook it becuase they have won but if this doesn't change OKC will not make it as far as they did last year. Durant won't do it because he is too nice but somebody needs to pull Westbrook aside and tell him about himself. His attitude and play can literally take OKC from being one of the western favorites to a first round playoff loss.

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                            • 23
                              yellow
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 66469

                              #1589
                              Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

                              Trade him for Deron

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                              • bigeastbumrush
                                My Momma's Son
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 19245

                                #1590
                                Re: Game Discussion Thread 12/25/11-1/1/12

                                Originally posted by ScoobySnax
                                I will forgive everything the Mavs have done thus far if they can get a win versus OKC tonight.
                                Unless Westbrook turns heel and starts shooting at the Mavs basket...a win doesn't look too likely against OKC.

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