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  • ex carrabba fan
    I'll thank him for you
    • Oct 2004
    • 32744

    #4441
    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

    Originally posted by 23
    Im just saying, its weird that a team has issues keeping their core guys but other teams get to spend millions on all star/olympian starters

    Just something not right about that.. this conversation is like bizarro world
    This type of thing happens in every other pro sport, it's not really bizarre at all. Especially when free agency has been introduced in each sport. It's the nature of the business.

    Large markets will naturally have the advantages, warmer climate cities, etc.

    It isn't right, but it's business. Money and location trump all in general.

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    • b2tha2ndpwr
      Rookie
      • Aug 2005
      • 155

      #4442
      Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
      This type of thing happens in every other pro sport, it's not really bizarre at all. Especially when free agency has been introduced in each sport. It's the nature of the business.

      Large markets will naturally have the advantages, warmer climate cities, etc.

      It isn't right, but it's business. Money and location trump all in general.
      Yep, just like any other business the more attractive cities and companies have the best chance at getting the top talent. If you were a valedictorian of the software engineering department at MIT and you get job offers with Apple, Google, and a very good company in Milwaukee or Memphis who don't quite have the same resources and aren't an hour from the beach, that's a disadvantage in the business world. Hell, I had job offers right out of college in Greenville, NC and Raleigh, NC but didn't even consider anything in Greenville because I couldn't imagine living there (Not that Raleigh's an Oasis or anything)

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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #4443
        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
        This type of thing happens in every other pro sport, it's not really bizarre at all. Especially when free agency has been introduced in each sport. It's the nature of the business.

        Large markets will naturally have the advantages, warmer climate cities, etc.

        It isn't right, but it's business. Money and location trump all in general.
        We all know its not about free agency and all large markets

        Chicago,the LAC, NY along with HOU were terrible teams for a LONG time and they're all in the top 5 of markets

        This so called business is what has ruined what sports were. I understand TheShiz, but it took him longer to disconnect than me. I completely dismissed the entire post season altogether because of what was happening

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        • ex carrabba fan
          I'll thank him for you
          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #4444
          Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

          Originally posted by 23
          We all know its not about free agency and all large markets

          Chicago,the LAC, NY along with HOU were terrible teams for a LONG time and they're all in the top 5 of markets

          This so called business is what has ruined what sports were. I understand TheShiz, but it took him longer to disconnect than me. I completely dismissed the entire post season altogether because of what was happening
          OK, I never said it was all about large markets though. A large market and money doesn't guarantee anything.

          Fact is, those markets have the advantage/upper hand. Nobody says smaller markets haven't had success or can't have sustained success, I'm simply saying it's fact that they have to work harder, get luckier, and be shrewder than their large market counterparts. I don't think that's really even worth stating, because it's true. It's a problem the NBA will have a hard time combating. There is no easy solution but that's the climate of today and it seems like it'll get worse before it gets better.

          Fact is it's not weird at all that OKC will have struggles to keep their core together. I don't see how it's weird at all. It's not like OKC wasn't able to keep three of their four guys either. Let's not act like everyone bolted or something like that. A core of Westbrook, Durant and Ibaka is pretty damn exceptional.

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          • King_B_Mack
            All Star
            • Jan 2009
            • 24451

            #4445
            Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            OK, I never said it was all about large markets though. A large market and money doesn't guarantee anything.

            Fact is, those markets have the advantage/upper hand. Nobody says smaller markets haven't had success or can't have sustained success, I'm simply saying it's fact that they have to work harder, get luckier, and be shrewder than their large market counterparts. I don't think that's really even worth stating, because it's true. It's a problem the NBA will have a hard time combating. There is no easy solution but that's the climate of today and it seems like it'll get worse before it gets better.

            Fact is it's not weird at all that OKC will have struggles to keep their core together. I don't see how it's weird at all. It's not like OKC wasn't able to keep three of their four guys either. Let's not act like everyone bolted or something like that. A core of Westbrook, Durant and Ibaka is pretty damn exceptional.
            That is very much true. However I think his point still stands. It is very sad and there is something wrong that we're even discussing how hard or impossible it is/will be for them to keep their core together while two or three teams in the league are loading up the top ten players in the league.

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            • 23
              yellow
              • Sep 2002
              • 66469

              #4446
              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
              OK, I never said it was all about large markets though. A large market and money doesn't guarantee anything.

              Fact is, those markets have the advantage/upper hand. Nobody says smaller markets haven't had success or can't have sustained success, I'm simply saying it's fact that they have to work harder, get luckier, and be shrewder than their large market counterparts. I don't think that's really even worth stating, because it's true. It's a problem the NBA will have a hard time combating. There is no easy solution but that's the climate of today and it seems like it'll get worse before it gets better.

              Fact is it's not weird at all that OKC will have struggles to keep their core together. I don't see how it's weird at all. It's not like OKC wasn't able to keep three of their four guys either. Let's not act like everyone bolted or something like that. A core of Westbrook, Durant and Ibaka is pretty damn exceptional.
              I said Large Market because thats usually the talk when people talk about it being a business. Fact of the matter is the league has a problem, especially when you look over a decade or so, its the large markets who make the profit who get the contracts, who get the upper hand because of that. Its not always about weather, if that was so, KG wouldn't have gone to Boston.

              I think I see some trickery happening sometimes that luck cannot get you if you dont exist as certain teams though. Its not a wonder both Shaq and Howard both left a year round warm climate from a team that has been to the finals... Seeing local stars just so happen to get drafted by the home team and so much more.. its no wonder the NBA lost a ton of fans over time

              Its more about entertainment now than sports it seems alot of the time

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              • 23
                yellow
                • Sep 2002
                • 66469

                #4447
                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                That is very much true. However I think his point still stands. It is very sad and there is something wrong that we're even discussing how hard or impossible it is/will be for them to keep their core together while two or three teams in the league are loading up the top ten players in the league.
                ..and that was pretty much all I was saying, again whether its normal now or not, its still not right I dont care how often it happens.

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                • Drewski
                  Basketball Reasons
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 3783

                  #4448
                  Thing is OKC can retain Harden if they choose to. Its not anyone's fault but OKCs owner/FO unwillingness to pay after saving money on these guys for years since they ran rookie contracts till just recently. Okc and Harden have nothing to do with the Lakers having the lineup they do. If anything the tax money the Lakers are putting out helps the cause for these other teams who collect it, on top of revenue sharing. Pony up.

                  Okc is in a contend now position. It falls squarely on their shoulders to pay Harden. Owners cheaping out is a owner problem.

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                  Last edited by Drewski; 08-20-2012, 05:13 PM.
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                  • ex carrabba fan
                    I'll thank him for you
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 32744

                    #4449
                    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                    Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                    That is very much true. However I think his point still stands. It is very sad and there is something wrong that we're even discussing how hard or impossible it is/will be for them to keep their core together while two or three teams in the league are loading up the top ten players in the league.
                    Well what do you guys really expect, honestly? OKC has 4 Olympian players entering their primes. You expect them to be able to retain all 4? Honestly? It's really that weird? I don't think anyone should feel sad or bad for the Thunder that one of the four might just leave town.

                    There would be a point if say Harden and Ibaka bolted town, but that's not the case.
                    Originally posted by 23
                    I said Large Market because thats usually the talk when people talk about it being a business. Fact of the matter is the league has a problem, especially when you look over a decade or so, its the large markets who make the profit who get the contracts, who get the upper hand because of that. Its not always about weather, if that was so, KG wouldn't have gone to Boston.

                    I think I see some trickery happening sometimes that luck cannot get you if you dont exist as certain teams though. Its not a wonder both Shaq and Howard both left a year round warm climate from a team that has been to the finals... Seeing local stars just so happen to get drafted by the home team and so much more.. its no wonder the NBA lost a ton of fans over time

                    Its more about entertainment now than sports it seems alot of the time
                    OK but if we're talking old vets like KG and the like leaving to another city, that's a whole heck of a lot different than the OKC situation where they have 4 All-Stars entering their primes. Gonna be tough for them to retain all 4, but they will be able to keep 3. So no harm there.

                    Dwight Howard was considering Brooklyn as well.

                    There are a lot of similarities between different players and their ways out of town, but there are also a lot of differences.

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                    • The 24th Letter
                      ERA
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 39373

                      #4450
                      Originally posted by Drewski
                      Thing is OKC can retain Harden if they choose to. Its not anyone's fault but OKCs owner/FO unwillingness to pay after saving money on these guys for years since they ran rookie contracts till just recently. Okc and Harden have nothing to do with the Lakers having the lineup they do. If anything the tax money the Lakers are putting out helps the cause for these other teams who collect it, on top of revenue sharing. Pony up.

                      Okc is in a contend now position. It falls squarely on their shoulders to pay Harden. Owners cheaping out is a owner problem.

                      Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2
                      This is what I was thinking, they could most certainly sign all 4 if they wanted to, they'd just forfeit their financial flexibility....that's up to the organization and business decision....

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                      • 23
                        yellow
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 66469

                        #4451
                        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                        This is what I was thinking, they could most certainly sign all 4 if they wanted to, they'd just forfeit their financial flexibility....that's up to the organization and business decision....
                        Right, they just dont have big city contracts to absorb making huge moves

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                        • The 24th Letter
                          ERA
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 39373

                          #4452
                          Lol, well someone needs to tell MIA about this 'special cap' before they use their last roster sport...they need a big bad...

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                          • cavsfan2
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 3902

                            #4453
                            Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                            Lol, well someone needs to tell MIA about this 'special cap' before they use their last roster sport...they need a big bad...
                            They still got Juwan Howard, dont they?

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                            • Altimus
                              Chelsea, Assemble!
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 27283

                              #4454
                              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                              Heat need to get Darko so they can have 4 of the top 5 draft picks of the 2003 draft.

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                              • Blue
                                On the road again
                                • Jul 2012
                                • 838

                                #4455
                                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                                Originally posted by Altimus
                                Heat need to get Darko so they can have 4 of the top 5 draft picks of the 2003 draft.
                                I'm surprised nobody has grabbed him yet it's always good to have an extra 7 footer around
                                Native Georgian. Adopted Texan.

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