92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

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Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Jordan is the better player, obviously, but LeBron's size and speed is unmatched. He is truly a freak of nature.

Chuck wasnt so bad IMO, and take away the weights supps and many other advantages the guys have now that they didnt and the story becomes even more interesting

[wwharton]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Jordan is the better player, obviously, but LeBron's size and speed is unmatched. He is truly a freak of nature.

All these guys are freaks (maybe not Laettner, lol). He may be the biggest freak but the gap isn't so wide that the skill, heart, bball IQ, etc of all the other players don't balance it out in a team setting. Like I said before, he has yet to be the "most dominant" player on an Olympic team against the regular slate of opponents. Hell, he had to force his way into being the most dominant player on his own team. You have to take everything into account which is why this is kind of silly to even debate. Westbrook could end up being the "most dominant" player. Really doesn't say anything.

[ZB9]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

David Robinson was a freak

[JerzeyReign]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Pretty sure we both specifically addressed exactly what you said. This isn't addressing it?



Maybe you needed us to say their games aren't almost identical? Because they're not. Kobe's the closest we've seen but that doesn't make them almost identical. And even at his best, Kobe wasn't close to the defender Jordan was. So, it sounds like you're suggesting that since Kobe attacks the rim like Jordan and has developed a similar fall away shot he can defend the best player on the planet doing those things to him. That just doesn't make sense.

BTW, by 92 Jordan had played 7 years in the NBA, so I don't know what "vet" advantage you think Kobe would have. Not to mention it's crazy to think 2012 Kobe, who's older than Jordan was at the time and clearly on the downside of his career defensively could contain Jordan, who's better overall anyway and was still in his offensive prime. It seems you've ignored everything in my post though... like checking his playoffs/finals stats when entire top level teams tried to slow him down yet for his career he averaged over 33 points to go along with 6 assists and 6 rebounds per game. Like I said, don't know why anyone would think anyone (including young or old Kobe or Lebron James) could check him.

Based on your Lebron comment, I just don't think you really know much about Jordan. But that's another issue all together. Lebron finally had a championship series we expected to see with his talent and now he can destroy anyone, right? I don't remember him flying by anyone that compares to Jordan or Pippen defensively... or getting by them and running into the likes of David Robinson defensively. And his performance in the other Olympic games shows better his personality on a team full of alpha dogs. We're talking about the most dominant and you have to have a mentality to be that on a team full of traditionally #1 options. Personally I don't think the most dominant means much of anything. I'd probably say it'd be someone like Melo (because he'd decide he needs to score alot and take them out of a team game looking for his shot) or Barkley (because the gameplan would likely be forcing the ball inside combined with him having that Melo mentality). On either of these teams there wouldn't be a player that everyone else on the court just works to force the ball to like the Heat did. And best believe, if the 2012 Olympic team decided forcing the ball to Lebron was the best offensive approach in half court sets, they would lose by 20+ at least.

I already know how you move in this forum so their is no real point for me to go back and forth with you. You win sir, you win.

[ojandpizza]

Everyone keeps talking Jordan and rightfully so, but wasn't Barkley the MVP of this team? I think the 2012 team could damn sure slow his game.. I don't think Kobe would be able to stop Jordan, slow him yes.. But not enough to matter... I don't really see a match to guard LeBron, but I don't think that means he would just go out and flat out kill the 92' team.. Team defense would be much more important than this match up crap everybody is throwing around lol.. It would be a fun game to watch, I think LeBron would play pretty well, he deosnt mind giving the ball to others and you know the 92' team would be planning to stop him.. While I still say the 92' team would get a pretty comfy win I'd say LeBron would have the most complete game, when it comes to a points, rebounds, assists.....

But we all know if this game really happened Kobe would shoot the 2012 team out of the game by halftime, trying to prove he's the "best" lol

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Kobe wouldnt slow down crap

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[ojandpizza]

Even a undersized not that athletic Joe Dumars slowed him some, he's by far the best ever but he's not superman.. I don't think he just go out for 40-50 no problem against this 2012 team.. And I'm the biggest Jordan fan I know..

[DieHardYankee26]

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I have a feeling people saying Kobe could even impede Jordan on his way to the hole aren't remembering quite how dominant this guy was.

[ojandpizza]

I know how dominant he was, but you think it would be easy for him? He would have one of the 3 best players in today's NBA right now on him at any point in the game, they aren't just gonna be pushovers.

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What the heck did dumars do to a prime jordan?

youre forgetting

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[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I know how dominant he was, but you think it would be easy for him? He would have one of the 3 best players in today's NBA right now on him at any point in the game, they aren't just gonna be pushovers.

Kobe: Too slow to really be much of a factor. Jordan would blow by him.

Durant: Nothing he could do except for interrupt concentration on jump shots, which MJ wouldn't be taking because he would embarrass Durant.

LeBron: Would definitely be the best matchup on him, just because of his combination of physical traits: speed, strength, and just overall size. But Jordan was too skilled to stop.

If he couldn't get past you with a simple bull rush (which he could on basically anyone), he had a reliable jumper. If you're too tall to shoot over, he would go right past you. If somehow you could stop both, he had enough moves to get past you anyway.

I'm a Knicks fan. I literally have nightmares of the 55 point game in the garden. You say he wasn't Superman, I may have to agree. But if he wasn't Superman, as Larry Bird said, he was God.

[ojandpizza]

Y'all are completely misinterpreting everything I'm trying to say, I never said anybody was going to stop Jordan. I said slow him. To me defense is 90% mental. And anybody who is sound the same athletic level can slow anybody.. How do you think Bruce Bowen was such an effective defender? He's wasn't quicker or stronger or taller or faster than any player he slowed down.. It's because he wanted to, it was his job. And Dumars did slow down a prime Jordan, I do remember. I never said he STOPPED or that Jordan didn't get the better of him. But he did slow him he did effect his game. Nobody is going to let him just walk over them and go off for 40-50 points.. Hell he wouldn't even be shooting enough shots to do something like that in a game like this.. Y'all are biased as hell.. I said before I'm the biggest Jordan fan I know, and I'm sure you are too with people you know but that doesn't mean I'm gonna just talk nonsense about he can do absolutely whatever he wants when he wants with 5 of the best players in the entire world guarding him..

[DieHardYankee26]

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I'm not a Jordan fan haha. I can't stand him. I hated him. I respect him as the greatest basketball player to ever live and the guy who made damn sure we didn't get any titles in the 90's. But it's not about him scoring 40-50. He's playing with a bunch of the greatest players ever. You can't gameplan for him because then Barkley, Magic, Robinson, Ewing haha, etc. are going to be able to do whatever they want. It's a 1 on 1 game basically with all of these guys. And he wasn't going to be slowed 1 on 1.

[ojandpizza]

I completely disagree it's a 1 on 1 game.. If that were the case Jordan woulda averaged 40+ ppg against those scrubs from other countries in 92'

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Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Like I said, Kobe wouldn't be slowing MJ down and its almost crazy to even say that

THIS kobe gets blown by, by the likes of Christian Eyenga and can't really keep up with the foot speed of anyone..shoot he couldnt even stop Chauncey Billups in 04, but you want us to sit here and listen to you say he would slow down a prime MJ?

That really is laughable man.. the dude is getting undeserved 1st team defense awards off of more reputation that Iverson's practice rant got him a bad name