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  • wwharton
    *ll St*r
    • Aug 2002
    • 26949

    #166
    Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

    Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
    It will always be a monumental upset if USA basketball loses, I think that goes without saying. If not arrogant, I think then you guys might be short changing the format and other teams..

    One game elimination makes up for the fact that teams may be getting older or less talented..

    We will see what happens
    Still a big difference between "monumental upset" and "greatest upset in Olympic history" which is what I would consider it if the US doesn't win the gold this year. And winning by less than 20 against all but maybe 2 teams would be disappointing. If we were talking 2004 I could see the arrogant stance but I don't think we're a group of ignorant fans pounding our chest while singing the Team America theme song. Based on all the factors in play right now, these things shouldn't be in question at all.

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    • bigeastbumrush
      My Momma's Son
      • Feb 2003
      • 19245

      #167
      Best game if the Olympics!

      What a finish.

      If you missed Brazil/Russia...you missed a good one.

      Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #168
        Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

        Every year, it would be the biggest upset in Olympic history. 2008 would have been a bigger upset if you wanna compare this summer to that summer.

        It'll be interesting to see what Vegas handicaps the lines at throughout the USA games. I tend to agree with them, so if they handicap the U.S. by 20 or what have you, that would be interesting.

        Also, Russia and Brazil look pretty good today. Two of the teams I would expect to give USA a solid to good challenge.

        Minnesota got themselves two solid players in AK-47 and the point guard Shved. If they are used right, I expect Minnesota to compete for a playoff spot.

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        • SteelersFreak
          All Star
          • May 2004
          • 9582

          #169
          Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

          Man what a shot by that Russian guy.
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          • ex carrabba fan
            I'll thank him for you
            • Oct 2004
            • 32744

            #170
            Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

            Originally posted by SteelersFreak
            Man what a shot by that Russian guy.
            And he got fouled.

            Two well coached teams with two NBA caliber point guards and a number of bigs.

            Hopefully Mosgov isn't injured too badly because that would be a huge blow to their medal chances.

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            • wwharton
              *ll St*r
              • Aug 2002
              • 26949

              #171
              Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
              Every year, it would be the biggest upset in Olympic history. 2008 would have been a bigger upset if you wanna compare this summer to that summer.

              It'll be interesting to see what Vegas handicaps the lines at throughout the USA games. I tend to agree with them, so if they handicap the U.S. by 20 or what have you, that would be interesting.

              Also, Russia and Brazil look pretty good today. Two of the teams I would expect to give USA a solid to good challenge.

              Minnesota got themselves two solid players in AK-47 and the point guard Shved. If they are used right, I expect Minnesota to compete for a playoff spot.
              I'm talking Olympic history, not Olympic basketball history. And if you agree with that being the case then you agree with what Pack is saying and shouldn't be calling him or anyone else arrogant. If you're expected to beat a team by 10 and they win the game, that would not be the biggest upset in Olympic history. If you're expected to beat a team by 20 (a blow out) in the gold medal game, then no one is arrogant saying they expect the team to dominate the tournament.

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              • ex carrabba fan
                I'll thank him for you
                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #172
                Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

                Do you think 2008 would have been a bigger upset than 2012? I'm not getting your point.

                I think 2012 team has some holes and injuries [size especially lacking], I think that's been well documented. That, coupled with the fact that I believe Russia, Brazil and Lithuania are solid teams, is why I said I don't expect the USA to blowout every team on their run. I expect them to get gold, but not to necessarily destroy every country.

                Saying an opinion sounds arrogant isn't calling them arrogant, just to straighten that out.

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                • ProfessaPackMan
                  Bamma
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 63852

                  #173
                  Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

                  Do you think 2008 would have been a bigger upset than 2012?
                  Not sure if this is a rhetorical question, but if it's not then I'll say if we didn't win the Gold, then yes.

                  Saying an opinion sounds arrogant isn't calling them arrogant, just to straighten that out.
                  But there is a difference between sounding arrogant and sounding confident, don't you agree?

                  FWIW, I was the only one who had doubts about how this team would do way before even the final 18 was announced because of their lack of size coming into the games and all I was told by some folks on here was they'll be fine because they were too good or something to that extent.

                  At the end of the day, most of us just have different expectations then you. We expect to blow MOST countries in here and you don't. It is what it is.
                  #RespectTheCulture

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                  • wwharton
                    *ll St*r
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 26949

                    #174
                    Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

                    Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                    Do you think 2008 would have been a bigger upset than 2012? I'm not getting your point.

                    I think 2012 team has some holes and injuries [size especially lacking], I think that's been well documented. That, coupled with the fact that I believe Russia, Brazil and Lithuania are solid teams, is why I said I don't expect the USA to blowout every team on their run. I expect them to get gold, but not to necessarily destroy every country.

                    Saying an opinion sounds arrogant isn't calling them arrogant, just to straighten that out.
                    I don't think it matters, 2008 is a different discussion and this discussion doesn't include all of the variables of that Olympic games. The point is this year's team should blow out all of the competition in this year's games, with the possible exception of two teams who they very well may blow out as well (win by 20+). The holes don't matter, injuries don't matter, injuries to other teams don't matter, etc. The statement was that this team should blow the rest of the field out and that's it. Blow out, destroy, whatever else you'd like to use... if they win by 20+ then the statement fits. And I would rather games look more like the last one against Brazil, but using that to back an argument is like using a preseason game to back an argument. The game didn't count, the team was trying to get things together, the rotation may have been being tweaked as well as individual strategies, who knows. In the games that count they should blow that team out.

                    The last part is just semantics. No one's taking offense to the statement, just arguing that it's inappropriate in this situation which I agree with. There are facts to back up the opinion.

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                    • ex carrabba fan
                      I'll thank him for you
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 32744

                      #175
                      Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

                      Expectations are great, don't get me wrong. I expect the USA to get Gold and I would expect the talent on the team to win out 100%.

                      However I don't feel like you guys have maybe watched the other countries enough, or if you have, I feel like you guys aren't quite giving the proper respect.

                      We disagree, won't be the first or last time. Not calling you an arrogant chest-beating American or anything foolish like that by any stretch if that's what anyone thought, I was simply saying it was a arrogant view in regards/respects to what I've seen of the other countries.

                      Wwharton, I'm still not sure what your point is but I think we've all said our part so now we will let the games play out. You were saying something about how this would be the greatest upset in Olympic history. I'm not so sure about that at all, seems like quite a debatable topic.. but it's whatever. Like I said, it'll be interesting to see how Vegas handicaps these games.

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                      • wwharton
                        *ll St*r
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 26949

                        #176
                        Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

                        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                        Expectations are great, don't get me wrong. I expect the USA to get Gold and I would expect the talent on the team to win out 100%.

                        However I don't feel like you guys have maybe watched the other countries enough, or if you have, I feel like you guys aren't quite giving the proper respect.

                        We disagree, won't be the first or last time. Not calling you an arrogant chest-beating American or anything foolish like that by any stretch if that's what anyone thought, I was simply saying it was a arrogant view in regards/respects to what I've seen of the other countries.
                        I'd say it's more arrogant to label us as those who may not have watched the other countries enough without knowing, honestly. You have nothing to back that statement.

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                        • ex carrabba fan
                          I'll thank him for you
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 32744

                          #177
                          Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

                          Originally posted by wwharton
                          I'd say it's more arrogant to label us as those who may not have watched the other countries enough without knowing, honestly. You have nothing to back that statement.
                          Well from you guys saying you should blowout every team, that seems enough for me to seem like it's an arrogant view to have. It's quite simple. The other countries deserve some respect IMO, I think there's some solid challenges outside of Spain/Argentina.

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                          • wwharton
                            *ll St*r
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 26949

                            #178
                            Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

                            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                            Well from you guys saying you should blowout every team, that seems enough for me to seem like it's an arrogant view to have. It's quite simple. The other countries deserve some respect IMO, I think there's some solid challenges outside of Spain/Argentina.
                            What are you basing your view on? The assumption that we haven't watched the other teams enough? Or, in other words, you feel you know more about the other countries to make a worthwhile opinion on it than us... which is more arrogant.

                            Here's a story for you. I know a 13 year old kid. He's pretty good, and in his league is definitely one of the best kids out there. I watched him in a pick up game matched up against a guy set to play in Europe next year. Am I disrespecting that kid by saying the other guy is going to destroy him?

                            Not once did anyone challenge the idea that the other teams are getting much better. But, as stated, they still aren't good enough. That's all that's to it. You don't even think they're good enough and are just arguing at the comment of them being "blown out". Well based on what we've seen and know that's what we think... nothing arrogant about it.

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #179
                              Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

                              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                              Expectations are great, don't get me wrong. I expect the USA to get Gold and I would expect the talent on the team to win out 100%.

                              However I don't feel like you guys have maybe watched the other countries enough, or if you have, I feel like you guys aren't quite giving the proper respect.

                              We disagree, won't be the first or last time. Not calling you an arrogant chest-beating American or anything foolish like that by any stretch if that's what anyone thought, I was simply saying it was a arrogant view in regards/respects to what I've seen of the other countries.
                              But see, I've actually watched those other countries(thank goodness for the Internet and the ability to watch any game you want for free)on more than one occasion and I saw nothing from them to think that they would be a formidable challenge to us for a full 40 minutes.

                              If I never watched a single minute of those countries play prior to the Olympics, then I wouldn't have made that statement about blowing everyone out. But we get our first official test on Saturday(or was that France?)against Lithuania so we'll see how that goes.
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • ex carrabba fan
                                I'll thank him for you
                                • Oct 2004
                                • 32744

                                #180
                                Re: Team USA Men's Olympic Basketball 2012

                                Originally posted by wwharton
                                What are you basing your view on? The assumption that we haven't watched the other teams enough? Or, in other words, you feel you know more about the other countries to make a worthwhile opinion on it than us... which is more arrogant.

                                Here's a story for you. I know a 13 year old kid. He's pretty good, and in his league is definitely one of the best kids out there. I watched him in a pick up game matched up against a guy set to play in Europe next year. Am I disrespecting that kid by saying the other guy is going to destroy him?

                                Not once did anyone challenge the idea that the other teams are getting much better. But, as stated, they still aren't good enough. That's all that's to it. You don't even think they're good enough and are just arguing at the comment of them being "blown out". Well based on what we've seen and know that's what we think... nothing arrogant about it.
                                It's my opinion, I base my opinions on what I see from those other countries and what I see from USA. Re-read what I said, I never said you haven't watched teams enough, I said if you have watched them then maybe you aren't giving them the proper respect. It is what it is, your opinion and mine. I have my opinion on your opinion, it's really simple man. Your story is really irrelevant here.
                                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                                But see, I've actually watched those other countries(thank goodness for the Internet and the ability to watch any game you want for free)on more than one occasion and I saw nothing from them to think that they would be a formidable challenge to us for a full 40 minutes.

                                If I never watched a single minute of those countries play prior to the Olympics, then I wouldn't have made that statement about blowing everyone out. But we get our first official test on Saturday(or was that France?)against Lithuania so we'll see how that goes.
                                That's fine that you've watched, again I didn't just go out and say you guys haven't been watching the other games.

                                Lithuania, Russia, Brazil are the teams that I believe can give them a stiff challenge outside of Spain/Brazil.

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