Why is Monta Ellis not considered a top guard?
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You said the fact that D Wade is a top 3 SG in the league shows how bad the SG position league wide is.. There is another thread in the same forum and the majority of people there are considering a him a top 5 SG of all time (I didn't agree).. But saying him being top 3 now show how bad the rest are? He's one of the top players ever man, how much better do you want the SGs to get? lol does every team need an MJ or Kobe on their team for you to think the talent at that position stacks up? -
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I like how people in this thread are comparing Kobe to Monta Ellis. I think Monta himself would like to think that he is the next Kobe. He will never be the next Kobe if he continues to play on crap teams where he has to do the majority of the scoring. (although, David Lee and Stephen Curry are not bad scorers)
Why is Eric Gordon even mentioned in this thread as if he is a top SG? that dude is horrible
Speaking of Eric Gordon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFzpsbL_NKUThee I Love
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I like how people in this thread are comparing Kobe to Monta Ellis. I think Monta himself would like to think that he is the next Kobe. He will never be the next Kobe if he continues to play on crap teams where he has to do the majority of the scoring. (although, David Lee and Stephen Curry are not bad scorers)
Why is Eric Gordon even mentioned in this thread as if he is a top SG? that dude is horrible
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First of all, he wasn't trying to compare the two.. He made that very clear in next post.
Second of all, Kobe is by no means a willing passer. If he was a willing passer the Bynum/Gasol post tandem would be absolutely lethal in today's league with the lack of big men.
Don't act like Kobe doesn't take too many shots often to the detriment of his team man. Most of the time he ends up scoring enough to make up for it, but still, he's not good at getting his team involved or at making his teammates better.
If you're an actual Lakers fan then you should see this first hand.. I assume you watch their games? Or maybe you just have that Lakers logo as your picture because you're a Kobe fan?Canucks | Packers | Blue Jays | Lakers | Raptors
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Eric Gordon garbage?!?! That's far from the truth.
Speaking of Eric Gordon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFzpsbL_NKU
He is not a top 5 SG ,though. Give him a couple years.
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He's just been on bad teams.. I can't really think of 5 guys I'd put ahead of him.. Kobe, Wade, Johnson, Manu, maybe Ellis? Idk really. He could drop anywhere from 4 to 6. Hell, Johnson really isn't much better either.Comment
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You said the fact that D Wade is a top 3 SG in the league shows how bad the SG position league wide is.. There is another thread in the same forum and the majority of people there are considering a him a top 5 SG of all time (I didn't agree).. But saying him being top 3 now show how bad the rest are? He's one of the top players ever man, how much better do you want the SGs to get? lol does every team need an MJ or Kobe on their team for you to think the talent at that position stacks up?
If you need more clarification then let me know but hopefully you don't because my message is really clear on what I think of Monta.
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Monta Ellis: Career FG%: 46.4%
Last season: 43.3%
Kobe: Career FG%: 45.3%
Last season: 43.0%
Manu Ginobli: Career FG%: 45.2%
Last healthy season: 43.3%
Joe Johnson: Career FG%: 44.4%
Last season: 45.4%
Eric Gordon: Career FG%: 45.2%
Last season: 45.0%
Dwyane Wade: Career FG%: 48.6%
Last season: 49.7%
Even looking at eFG and TS%, Monta is right on par with Kobe and Joe Johnson. Wade and Ginobili are both far ahead of those three though.
Over the last three seasons though, he's shot 44.5% from the field. That's decidedly less impressive.
In addition to being a bulk shooter who misses a lot of shots, he turns the ball over frequently, doesn't rebound a lick, and is literally one of the worst defensive players at his position in the NBA, largely because he constantly gambles for steals and loses.
Please don't mistake that for me saying he's a terrible player. He's not. He's probably a little above-average for his position.
But he's not a good enough scorer to make up for his other faults.Comment
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Bulls already tried this experiment, it didn't work. His name was Ben Gordon. Rose has a hard enough time sharing the ball with his teammates now.Comment
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Monta has a 46.4% career average because he was awesome in 2007-2008, shooting 53.1% from the field.
Over the last three seasons though, he's shot 44.5% from the field. That's decidedly less impressive.
In addition to being a bulk shooter who misses a lot of shots, he turns the ball over frequently, doesn't rebound a lick, and is literally one of the worst defensive players at his position in the NBA, largely because he constantly gambles for steals and loses.
Please don't mistake that for me saying he's a terrible player. He's not. He's probably a little above-average for his position.
But he's not a good enough scorer to make up for his other faults.
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Are you seriously trying to tell me that he doesn't shoot a lot, or that he's a good defender or rebounder?
I guess it's easy to sit back and take shots at people without taking any kind of position yourself, huh?Comment
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Ellis led all SGs in APG at 6, so he is a willing passer. As a Bucks fan I watched a lot of games & he moves the ball really well. Both He & Jennings play well together. Both considered chuckers but acyually make good plays for teammates , they just need 2 convert the passes.
I expect Ellis to avg around 6 assist this yr again
I also expect Jennings to avg a career best 8 a game.Comment
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