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  • Matt Bonner
    Rookie
    • Oct 2012
    • 39

    #31
    Re: why is it if you can play shut down defense but cant score you are a terrible pla

    Originally posted by ojandpizza
    No team in the league right now would sign Allen over Melo if given the opportunity to add him for the same cost.. Even teams like Miami, OKC, LA, etc.. There would be no reason for them not to add another superstar.. I don't know how this is even debatable
    because it's like saying "people would elect the corpse of Abraham Lincoln if we reanimated him no question."

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    • Matt Bonner
      Rookie
      • Oct 2012
      • 39

      #32
      Re: why is it if you can play shut down defense but cant score you are a terrible pla

      Originally posted by Dice
      Like Tony Allen and like his hard nose approach to the game but he would not help the Bulls one bit. Melo or Ellis would give the Bulls a chance.
      oh please, you don't think having him rotate with rip and deng wouldn't make the bulls better ? lol.

      certainly better than the garbage bench they have now

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      • Matt Bonner
        Rookie
        • Oct 2012
        • 39

        #33
        Re: why is it if you can play shut down defense but cant score you are a terrible pla

        Originally posted by OSUFan_88
        I think a better question would have been JR Smith vs Tony Allen. Melo is a terrible example because Melo can score and rebound among the best of his position.
        in this scenario i'd say the bulls, for example, should pick JR

        now as far as san antonio is concerned i think i'd rather have allen

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        • Dice
          Sitting by the door
          • Jul 2002
          • 6627

          #34
          Re: why is it if you can play shut down defense but cant score you are a terrible pla

          Originally posted by Matt Bonner
          oh please, you don't think having him rotate with rip and deng wouldn't make the bulls better ? lol.

          certainly better than the garbage bench they have now
          You kidding me? You must not watch a lot of Bulls games. Allen cannot do what the Bulls really need and that's score. As wwharton said, the Bulls is built to defend. They're just not built to score when Derrick Rose can't. They need a legit scorer and Melo or Ellie fits the bill.
          I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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          • Matt Bonner
            Rookie
            • Oct 2012
            • 39

            #35
            Re: why is it if you can play shut down defense but cant score you are a terrible pla

            you're never getting melo or ellis, that's the point. well melo is out of the question but you'd have to trade one or two starters for ellis and to be perfectly frank, would that really make the team better to lose, say Boozer and Deng to get a guy that can't/won't play defense and will have trouble meshing with Derrick Rose?

            jr smith would be better than allen, as far as the bulls are concerned no question, but their bench sucks real bad right now outside of Gibson, so anyone that has a specialty would be a step up

            but talking about melo and ellis or any other top flight 20ppg scorer in this bulls scenario is rather pointless. especially when you are comparing them to specialists off the bench.

            there's also the whole issue of the salary cap and etc but yes if I was picking Team USA you're right tony allen (and monta ellis) wouldn't make the cut but i don't really see what the point of saying that is considering the topic of the thread.
            Last edited by Matt Bonner; 10-24-2012, 09:53 PM.

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            • Dice
              Sitting by the door
              • Jul 2002
              • 6627

              #36
              Re: why is it if you can play shut down defense but cant score you are a terrible pla

              Who said the Bulls was getting them? It's a hypothetical scenario related to the topic. Wasn't meant to be taken literally.
              I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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              • DamnYanks2
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jun 2007
                • 20794

                #37
                Re: why is it if you can play shut down defense but cant score you are a terrible pla

                Hey Bulls, I heard Allen Iverson is available for the sg option.

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                • biggiejerseys
                  Pro
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 694

                  #38
                  Originally posted by DamnYanks2
                  Hey Bulls, I heard Allen Iverson is available for the sg option.
                  If that happened then I'd become the newest Bulls fan.


                  Sent from my BlackBerry 9670 using Tapatalk

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                  • Matt Bonner
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 39

                    #39
                    Re: why is it if you can play shut down defense but cant score you are a terrible pla

                    Originally posted by Dice
                    Who said the Bulls was getting them? It's a hypothetical scenario related to the topic. Wasn't meant to be taken literally.
                    it's a hypothetical scenario that never ever happens

                    it's like wondering what would happen if gravity didn't work for a day

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                    • wwharton
                      *ll St*r
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 26949

                      #40
                      Re: why is it if you can play shut down defense but cant score you are a terrible pla

                      Originally posted by Matt Bonner
                      it's a hypothetical scenario that never ever happens

                      it's like wondering what would happen if gravity didn't work for a day
                      But it was in line with the discussion at hand... you're taking it WAAAAAAY off topic.

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