Best Point Guard in the Game?

[biggiejerseys]

Am I crazy if I say I would take Parker over any PG right now?

No. He's definitely in my top 5. I have Rondo & CP3 as 1a & 1b, with Paul being 1a.


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[AllStarDaDon]

Re: Best Point Guard in the Game?

Here's a video it's from 2 years ago but still applies IMO:
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[The_Wise_One]

Re: Best Point Guard in the Game?

Kyrie Irving. Yes I'm a huge homer lol

He will be in the discussion as best point guard after this season no doubt.

[PrettyT11]

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Honestly I don't see how this is even a question. It's Chris Paul and by a pretty nice margin. he is easily the most complete PG in the NBA. As far as the top PG's go only Nash is a better shooter. Paul controls the game better than any of them, can pass with the best of them, score you 20 a night, and is easily better than them all with the game on the line. Another thing that really stands out with him versus the rest is that he protects the ball better than them all. Paul doesn't turn the ball over like they do.

Stats wise Paul blows them out of the water by a pretty big margin. Pretty much every single advanced stat is in his favor. His assists to turnover ratio is killing those guys.

There really is no reason Rondo can be considered better than Paul. Rondo can't be considered the best until he can shoot a jumpshot and a free throw. He simply isn't a scoring threat and sometimes just refuses to shoot open shots he is given because he himself lacks confidence in his shot. It also is horrible for a PG to shoot under 60 percent from the free throw line. His lack of scoring ability keeps him from being at the top of the mountain when you got a guy like Paul who can get you 20 and 10 a night while Rondo gets you 11 and 11.

There was some talk about Deron in the GM thread earlier. I am a big fan of Deron and have him at number 2 on the list right now and 2b or 3 if Rose can get back to 100 percent. I simply can't put him ahead of Paul cause of what we have seen the past two years. Yes I know his team was trash and he put up 20 and 10 like numbers but there are things that can't be ignored if we are talking about being the best. His jumpshot and basically vanished sinced joining the Nets. He has been the worst shooting PG in the league since joining the Nets. Also he lead the entire NBA in turnovers per game last season. I don't care who you put around Paul there is no way he shoots 40 percent and turn the ball over 4 times a night. That is the biggest difference between them two is the shooting and taking care of the ball.

As far as Rose goes I have to wait until I see how he returns before I figure out where he falls in again. Before the injury I had him at best all alone at 2 and at worst 2a or 2b with Deron.

[slowdifference]

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I'll take Deron Williams. He can pass, shoot, post up, finish at the rim, and he's underrated on defense. He never gets any respect cause of where he's played. I think now in Brooklyn he'll get the respect he deserves.

[LoSoisNiCEx414]

Re: Best Point Guard in the Game?

Rose
CP3
Rondo
Irving
Westbrook

[Gibbz]

Re: Best Point Guard in the Game?

Can't go wrong with Paul, TP, Rondo or D-Will in my book. I think it's just splitting hairs.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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There was some talk about Deron in the GM thread earlier. I am a big fan of Deron and have him at number 2 on the list right now and 2b or 3 if Rose can get back to 100 percent. I simply can't put him ahead of Paul cause of what we have seen the past two years. Yes I know his team was trash and he put up 20 and 10 like numbers but there are things that can't be ignored if we are talking about being the best. His jumpshot and basically vanished sinced joining the Nets. He has been the worst shooting PG in the league since joining the Nets. Also he lead the entire NBA in turnovers per game last season. I don't care who you put around Paul there is no way he shoots 40 percent and turn the ball over 4 times a night. That is the biggest difference between them two is the shooting and taking care of the ball.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't ToPG is a flawed stat in itself because it will credit you the TO if you pass the ball to a wide open teammate and he drops it or bobbles it and it goes out of bounds? Just like how a QB will get credited with an INT if he throws to a wide open WR and it goes off his hands and into the the Defender's hands?

As for him never shooting 40%, well there's nothing for me to prove or disprove that theory so I'll leave that alone because then the convo will go too deep into the "What if" territory. But like they say about numbers, "They don't lie, but they don't tell the whole story".

All that aside, I agree with Gibbz in that people would just be splitting hairs between those 4 but I'd also expect people to say they'd chose Paul over everyone else because we live in a "What have you done for me lately" type of society(especially when it comes to Sports)and the last thing we remember from CP3 was that he took the Clippers from a laughing stock to a playoff team and now a legit contender and Deron Williams is/was remembered for playing in NJ and sitting at home his last 2 years in April.

[PrettyT11]

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't ToPG is a flawed stat in itself because it
will credit you the TO if you pass the ball to a wide open teammate and he drops
it or bobbles it and it goes out of bounds? Just like how a QB will get credited
with an INT if he throws to a wide open WR and it goes off his hands and into
the the Defender's hands?

Not really. Like baseball does with errors it depends on the official scorer who gets the TO. But more times than not if they guy actually catches the ball and drops it or if it is the recievers fault he gets the TO.

As for him never shooting 40%, well there's nothing for me to prove or disprove
that theory so I'll leave that alone because then the convo will go too deep
into the "What if" territory. But like they say about numbers, "They don't lie,
but they don't tell the whole story".

You are right that was more if a what if but it came from Paul's history. Let's be real it's not like Paul has played for loaded teams. He has played on some teams with some pretty offensively challenged guys and guys who can't create their shot if their life depended on it. Even with that Paul has never had those kind of negative numbers. Even has a rookie he has always protected the ball.

All that aside, I agree with Gibbz in that people would just be splitting hairs
between those 4 but I'd also expect people to say they'd chose Paul over
everyone else because we live in a "What have you done for me lately" type of
society(especially when it comes to Sports)and the last thing we remember from
CP3 was that he took the Clippers from a laughing stock to a playoff team and
now a legit contender and Deron Williams is/was remembered for playing in NJ and
sitting at home his last 2 years in April.

That could be true but we also have to remember that Paul has been putting HOF level numbers for years. They only reason why Paul really feel off the top of the PG mountain was cause of injury. Most people where saying if Paul was healthy he would be right back on top. Now that his health got back on point he again is showing that he is the best. What he did in NO was out of this world and even better than what he did last year.

I can't agree with the splitting hairs part when some of the guys have obvious flaws that Paul doesn't have. To me that puts Paul ahead of them but doesn't mean that they aren't very good guys in their own right.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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You are right that was more if a what if but it came from Paul's history. Let's be real it's not like Paul has played for loaded teams. He has played on some teams with some pretty offensively challenged guys and guys who can't create their shot if their life depended on it. Even with that Paul has never had those kind of negative numbers. Even has a rookie he has always protected the ball.

Oh I know he hasn't played on loaded teams and neither of them really haven't up until now. But I would've loved to see CP3 try and work his "magic" with the likes of Sheldon Williams, Larry Owens, Jordan Farmar, Kris Humphries, Johan Petro, Larry Foote, Dennis Horner, MarShon Brooks, Sundiata Gaines and Gerald Green for 66 games. If he were shoot better than 40% with those guys as his teammates and get them to the playoffs, I'd crown him as the greatest PG in the last 25 years and wouldn't think twice.

That could be true but we also have to remember that Paul has been putting HOF level numbers for years. They only reason why Paul really feel off the top of the PG mountain was cause of injury. Most people where saying if Paul was healthy he would be right back on top. Now that his health got back on point he again is showing that he is the best. What he did in NO was out of this world and even better than what he did last year.

Don't disagree. But those same people were also saying if Deron were to get the same or better talent like he had Utah while they were making their playoff runs out West, they'd put him right back in the 1A/1B along with CP3 as the best PG in the league and so far he looks to be on his way back.

[d11king]

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For some odd reason it's not letting me quote you ^^^ but what about the Chris Paul team of '08 I believe. A team that featured the likes of Melvin Ely, Devin Brown, Antonio Brown, Rasual Butler, etc. I guess you can make the argument of David West and Tyson Chandler but I thought was Paul'a best season in my book, he should've won MVP but they have it to Kobe (Lifetime Achievement Award)

[Rewmac]

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As much I like Westbrook and Derrick Rose they aren't actually point guards. More like shooting guards or 2 guards. Best point guard would be Rondo, Chris Paul, Brandon Jennings. As much I'd like to say Deron Williams I can't. His skills aren't utilized in Brooklyn, he could be better. He can score and find teammates, but it's yet to be seen.

[jeebs9]

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I still think Chris Paul has been the best for the last 5-6 season now. I always thought Deron Williams was sightly below him. The other guys I think are great but just missing something in their game. This years Clipper team is the best he's ever had. So it will be great to see what he can do.

[AllStarDaDon]

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It's a toss up between Rondo, CP3, Rose and TP.

But stats wise and just for the sake of better 4th quarter player CP3. Dude can find his teammates, make them better, score, take over in the 4th quarter scoring wise and just become cold blooded in the clutch.

But Rondo. Rondo, Rondo, Rondo dude is to good. Forget stats do you pay close attention to Rondo when he plays? Dude is a wizard with the rock. Runs the NBA offense like no other can in the current NBA.

[MrWise33]

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It's a toss up between Rondo, CP3, Rose and TP.

But stats wise and just for the sake of better 4th quarter player CP3. Dude can find his teammates, make them better, score, take over in the 4th quarter scoring wise and just become cold blooded in the clutch.

But Rondo. Rondo, Rondo, Rondo dude is to good. Forget stats do you pay close attention to Rondo when he plays? Dude is a wizard with the rock. Runs the NBA offense like no other can in the current NBA.

This is actually why I say Rondo, As a Celtics fan I gotta say After watching Him play a lot No other Guard can set up teammates like Him. The Man has 10+ Assists in 30+ Games straight. Im pretty sure he's leading guards in Triple doubles also & Forget having a shot he can still score. CP3 Is Next tho