11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

How does a player get tossed from a game and then be allowed to return to the game?

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Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

I never said that I had a list. I just know it's always easy for us as fans to do the Armchair GM/Coaching thing, that's why I asked who would you replace him with.

This isn't armchairing the guy

They just lost like 6 games in a row to mostly the bottom half of the NBA, besides the wizards

This dude had them on a bad losing streak the same last year, but I see even more now his coaching deficiencies isn't taking this team anywhere.

It doesn't take a genius to see he doesn't have a clue... Look at his quote for example. Most coaches that use that give him the ball and get out the way are always loser coaches who get fired.

[Dice]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

Getting rid of Del Negro might be a viable option. But as with any coaching move during the course of a season, you run the risk of maybe getting someone who's worse. Yeah, Vinny is bad but there are a lot of people who aren't too far behind. Some of them have NBA coaching jobs.

They missed their opportunity to replace VDN with a safe pick during the off season. At least if you get an unknown commodity, you can give him time to get acclimated to the team with training camp. Getting rid of VDN now is either gonna be the best thing or the worse thing for them. I don't see an in-between in this situation. So if they do, they better get it right or set themselves back a year or two.

If they do replace Vinny, the list better be short and be with coaches with viable NBA experience and at least a championship. Obviously, Phil would be the smart choice if he wants the job. Another choice I could see as a fit would be Larry Brown. That's if Clippers management want him back.

[JODYE]

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There are actually plenty of viable options in the FA coaching pool that would be MUCH better than Del Negro.

Sloan, Brown, Van Gundy, Saunders, Shaw (Would be ultimate troll move), McMillan (Not a fit for the Clips).

Also when is Popovich's assistant gonna get a shot at a job? His name is escaping me but starts with a B.

He's been there for damn near 20 years learning from one of the best coaches ever. I'd put money on it that he'd be worlds better than Del Negro.

I also think we overstate the "adjustment" period. If you're a good coach, you can make those adjustments based on your personnel quickly. It's not like at this day and age, it's any secret what a players strengths and weaknesses are for a given team. Obviously there has to be some time to fully learn the intricacies of an offense a coach is trying to implement. But if you have a group a guys, and know what they can do well, I have a hard time believing a guy can't come in and get them to play well quickly.

Obviously this is assuming you don't have a big ego on your team *cough* Kobe *cough* and the players buy into what your selling.

[iLLosophy]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

13 you are thinking of Mike Budenholzer. The spurs/pop might be trying to get him to be pop's successor. If I had to guess, once Duncan & Ginobili retire, so will he.

If they do replace Vinny, the list better be short and be with coaches with viable NBA experience and at least a championship. Obviously, Phil would be the smart choice if he wants the job. Another choice I could see as a fit would be Larry Brown. That's if Clippers management want him back.

I wouldn't make the requirements that strict on a Championship....just look for guys have gotten their teams into the Conference Finals more than once. Jerry Sloan, the Van Gundys (assuming they aren't blacklisted) are all decent candidates and have much better resumes than VDN and have coached Hall of Famers.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

There are actually plenty of viable options in the FA coaching pool that would be MUCH better than Del Negro.

Sloan, Brown, Van Gundy, Saunders, Shaw (Would be ultimate troll move), McMillan (Not a fit for the Clips).

Also when is Popovich's assistant gonna get a shot at a job? His name is escaping me but starts with a B.

He's been there for damn near 20 years learning from one of the best coaches ever. I'd put money on it that he'd be worlds better than Del Negro.

I also think we overstate the "adjustment" period. If you're a good coach, you can make those adjustments based on your personnel quickly. It's not like at this day and age, it's any secret what a players strengths and weaknesses are for a given team. Obviously there has to be some time to fully learn the intricacies of an offense a coach is trying to implement. But if you have a group a guys, and know what they can do well, I have a hard time believing a guy can't come in and get them to play well quickly.

Obviously this is assuming you don't have a big ego on your team *cough* Kobe *cough* and the players buy into what your selling.

I'll give you Jerry Sloan and Stan Van Gundy(who is #1 choice to coach the Nets assuming they do bring back Averah after next year) for the sole fact that they're proven guys and have a system in place that has proven it can work over the years. Hell, Sloan's system duped the Bulls into paying for Boozer(I couldn't resist, Bulls Fans. )

Mike Brown - The same Mike Brown who EVERYONE on here has said that he was a JOKE of a Head Coach in both LA AND Cleveland and the only reason he was any good was because of Lebron?

Flip Saunders - What makes him a better choice? He has done squat since he inherited Larry Brown's Pistons and then managed(with assistance from Mr. Dumars)to turn that team into a joke. Goes to DC and along with assistance from Gilbert Arenas, he manages to do the same thing there. Honestly, I'd be shocked if he ever coaches again in the NBA.

Brian Shaw - He's still trying to Phil Jackson's coat to a job and Phil isn't even coaching LOL.

I think regardless of who they get, they don't need to worried about impressing the fans with their quotes and Coachspeak. They need to impress and get CP3's approval because that's who you're trying to keep from leaving and going somewhere else. Wouldn't surprise me if they were to fire VDN, they hire someone who has worked with CP before in some capacity(which could come down to Nate).

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Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

Getting rid of Del Negro might be a viable option. But as with any coaching move during the course of a season, you run the risk of maybe getting someone who's worse. Yeah, Vinny is bad but there are a lot of people who aren't too far behind. Some of them have NBA coaching jobs.

They missed their opportunity to replace VDN with a safe pick during the off season. At least if you get an unknown commodity, you can give him time to get acclimated to the team with training camp. Getting rid of VDN now is either gonna be the best thing or the worse thing for them. I don't see an in-between in this situation. So if they do, they better get it right or set themselves back a year or two.

If they do replace Vinny, the list better be short and be with coaches with viable NBA experience and at least a championship. Obviously, Phil would be the smart choice if he wants the job. Another choice I could see as a fit would be Larry Brown. That's if Clippers management want him back.

Instead of searching they extended the dudes contract. I just don't think its a smart move when you're trying to keep Chris Paul but winning cures it all... its just that they have to absolutely scrap for every single thing they do, especially at times they shouldn't be struggling so hard to get off a shot or get a stop.

It doesn't even have to be a recycled name, just someone who can get the best out of his guys... I wonder whatever happened to Jeff Bzdelik

Its not really a thing of just blaming the coach here... if they are serious about winning, he isn't the one. The bulls wised up quickly, and honestly If Blake is going to struggle to get just one shot off in the paint like this, the man has to be shown the door if he can't draw up something more than chucking a 3

[Dice]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

I wouldn't make the requirements that strict on a Championship....just look for guys have gotten their teams into the Conference Finals more than once. Jerry Sloan, the Van Gundys (assuming they aren't blacklisted) are all decent candidates and have much better resumes than VDN and have coached Hall of Famers.

If your talking about this situation where your taking a gamble of replacing a coach during the season, then the requirements should be strict. Now if this was the off-season, then I'd be more inclined to relax the 'championship' requirement.

[iLLosophy]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

If your talking about this situation where your taking a gamble of replacing a coach during the season, then the requirements should be strict. Now if this was the off-season, then I'd be more inclined to relax the 'championship' requirement.

I get that, but lets be honest, the two times the Bulls won against the Jazz in the finals, if they swapped coaches do you really think the outcome would be any different? Sloan doesn't have any rings simply because he played in the Jordan era.

I'm just saying nobody is going to give the Clippers front office crap for hiring a guy like Jerry Sloan over someone like Stan Van Gundy just because Stan has won a ring.

[CMH]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

You could literally say this about probably 25 out of 30 Head Coaches in the league though, especially in a sport where if you have the talent then 9 times out of 10, you'll win.

Fire them all. Hire us!

[jeebs9]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

[K.So]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

Surprised nobody has mentioned this yet; Amar'e is OK coming off the bench:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8688804/amare-stoudemire-new-york-knicks-accept-sixth-man-role-sources-say

Amar'e Stoudemire would accept a role as the New York Knicks' sixth man if asked, two sources with knowledge of Stoudemire's thinking told ESPNNewYork.com.
"All he cares about right now is helping the team and winning," said one source, who has been around Stoudemire regularly in recent weeks. "He'd be fine with coming off the bench if that's what they want."

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Stoudemire hasn't spoken with reporters since suffering a left knee injury in the preseason. He's been rehabilitating his knee following arthroscopic surgery for the past four weeks and is expected to miss at least another two weeks.
There has been speculation about what role Stoudemire will play once he returns.
Many believe Stoudemire would be a better fit coming off the bench for coach Mike Woodson's team. Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony have had a tough time developing cohesion on offense -- the Knicks have a losing record while the two stars are in the same starting lineup.
Both Anthony and Stoudemire are effective operating in isolation around the elbow, which is just one reason why they haven't had success while sharing the floor together.
Additionally, Stoudemire and Knicks starting center Tyson Chandler are seen by some as a bad match when paired together.
Chandler is the Knicks' primary screener on the pick-and-roll, a role Stoudemire has thrived throughout his career.
Woodson has been evasive when asked about Stoudemire's role once he returns. Woodson has said in the past his players wouldn't lose their starting roles because of injury. But Woodson also hasn't committed to re-inserting Stoudemire into the starting lineup.
"I'm going to address that when we get to that point," Woodson said last week. "Right now, I'm just taking it a day at a time and work the guys we have in uniform."

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A source close to Stoudemire who has visited with the veteran power forward recently said Stoudemire wants to help the Knicks, who were 9-4 entering play Wednesday, and doesn't want to affect any chemistry the team has established.
"He just wants to win," the source says. "He sees how well they're playing and just wants to help. He'll be fine with whatever they want to do."
Woodson may choose to bring Stoudemire off the bench initially to help him work his way back into game shape. One league source says the Knicks are hesitant to take Jason Kidd out of the starting lineup to make room for Stoudemire.
Stoudemire, a 10-year veteran, is coming off a down year in which he averaged 17.5 points and 7.9 rebounds per game -- the lowest full-season totals since his rookie season.
He worked diligently over the summer to regain his form, spending time with Hakeem Olajuwon to incorporate post moves into his offensive repertoire. Stoudemire was confident in the preseason he could bounce back this season. But he suffered a knee injury that originally was thought to be a bone bruise, but later diagnosed as a ruptured cyst in his left knee.
Stoudemire's left knee has been an issue in the past. He underwent microfracture surgery in October 2005, but bounced back well from the procedure.
One NBA team doctor told ESPNNewYork.com that Stoudemire was the best example of a player regaining his form after microfracture surgery.
Still, the procedure can be a red flag for teams. Stoudemire's contract with the Knicks -- five years, $100 million -- is uninsured because of his history of knee issues.

[jeebs9]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

I won't believe it until I see it. Or he talks about it. Until then I don't believe it.

[iLLosophy]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

Damn first time I saw this i didn't realize how low JJ was dribbling.

Really glad to see JJ in a more dynamic offense.

[Dice]

Re: 11/26 - 12/2 Game Discussion Thread

I get that, but lets be honest, the two times the Bulls won against the Jazz in the finals, if they swapped coaches do you really think the outcome would be any different? Sloan doesn't have any rings simply because he played in the Jordan era.

I'm just saying nobody is going to give the Clippers front office crap for hiring a guy like Jerry Sloan over someone like Stan Van Gundy just because Stan has won a ring.

Let's agree that the Jordan era ended after the 1998 season. So Sloan coached 13 more seasons after the Jordan era and he still couldn't produce a ring.

I like Sloan and I think he's a good coach. He's not a 'great' coach. At least in my book. Sloan will be a HOF coach on the basis of longevity and regular season wins. However, Sloan to me gets placed in the Lenny Wilkins category of 'Most 50 win seasons with no championships.' He not in the upper echelon of great NBA coaches like Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach and Pat Riley. And despite the fact that Larry Brown isn't in that class, he's closer to that class than Sloan.

And despite the fact that Sloan didn't win a championship because he coached in the Jordan era is no excuse. Pat Riley, Larry Brown and Greg Popovich coached in the Jordan era but they have a ring within their career.