Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

[Raider131]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

Great coaches
1. Pops
2. Aldemen
3. Carlise

Bad
1. Negro
2. Casey
3. Smart
4. Frank
5. Pringles

[InthePaint]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

Mike Woodson did what he could in Atlanta. And is looking like Coach of The Year in NYC.

Getting JR Smith and Melo to play defense and be held accountable is big feat. Even though they are surrounded by vets and have gotten mature, Woodson press the right buttons.

I wonder how he'll do if they really go deep, cause he's hasnt before.

I wanna see Spolstra w/ out superstars. Like Lawrence Frank after New Jersey.

Doc Rivers is a good coach. Great....I dunno.

All these dudes look suspect w/out Superstars. What ws Doc doing before Garnett & Allen came over?

[NYJets]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

I think Thibs, Adelman, Carlisle all should be up there in the best coaches category.

Worst coaches is a little tougher. Del Negro and Pringles come to mind, and I have no problem saying they are bad coaches, I don't know if they are the worst though. They have struggled under the spotlight with Del Negro looking clueless in the playoffs with the Bulls, and Pringles failing in New York. Most of the coaches of bad teams fly under the radar though and it's hard to evaluate how much they should be blamed for their teams struggles.

[JODYE]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

Best (no particular order):
Spoelstra
Karl
Thibs
Brooks
Adelmann
Vogel

Worst:
Frank
Casey
Wittman
Smart

Spoiler

Top 5:
Pop
Doc
Thibs
Karl
Hollins/Aldeman/Carlisle

Worst:
VDN
VDN
D'Anphony
Casey
Frank
VDN

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

@13,

Spoelstra has to manage massive egos with Dwade and LBJ I give credit where its due. I guess you wouldn't put Phil Jackson at the top of your list(s) then? Also the OP said outside of Doc/Pops, also why would Hollins be in your top 5?

Hollins has talent on his team, he teaches good D, but lacks in adjustments and strategy. He has 2 of the best big men in the game that clean up a lot of ugly offense when they are not feeding them the ball.

Brooks, has taken a very young team far already. Why don't you think he is one of the top coaches in the League now?

[23]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

Dude, what egos?

He lets LeBron play 48 minutes and always has some smoked out quote when they're down like "they got us in the mind" or " it's all in the mind"

He is awful in the halfcourt, and honestly riding on talent

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

Dude, what egos?

He lets LeBron play 48 minutes and always has some smoked out quote when they're down like "they got us in the mind" or " it's all in the mind"

He is awful in the halfcourt, and honestly riding on talent

Who doesn't ride on talent? Pops and Doc both ride talent but somehow they are better at coaching? (rhetorical) KG, PP, Ray Ray, Rondo, Manu, TD, Parker.

I do agree they have better coaching fundamentals, but the game for the coach is controlling the players, so it is "all in the mind", if the coach can keep players cool and collected they will have a better chance at winning.

Now I do agree that Spoelstra doesn't have the best coaching knowledge (sets, schemes) but managing ego's is still where its at for coaching.

LBJ is young and can play 48 if he wants. If any coach had LBJ they would play him as much as possible.

[23]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

Okay man... I dont have time right now but Im sorry, this guy is not a good coach

coaches use the talent they have but this dude offers nothing

[JODYE]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

I hate that managing ego's angle that EVERYONE seems to use with Spo. Guy was handed the keys to maybe the most selfless superstar since Magic Johnson and three of the best players in the NBA today. If you can't win with that, then you probably don't belong anywhere near an NBA sideline.

Guy is horrible at adjustments, especially on defense, seems lost when it comes to communicating to players and how to effectively manage an offense that promotes fluidity in the half court. The Heat's first 2 years were marred with iso ball. Last night was a perfect example on both ends of the floor.

Brooks is bad at XOs as well. Many mismanaged possessions, especially coming out of time outs, poor offensive strategy (RW is to blame as well). Probably the only thing he did right in the playoffs last year was put Thabo on Parker in the San Antonio series.

Neither of them are anywhere close to being the best coaches in the NBA.

I do agree they have better coaching fundamentals, but the game for the coach is controlling the players, so it is "all in the mind", if the coach can keep players cool and collected they will have a better chance at winning.

Wait, were talking about Spo, who Wade and LeBron have checked multiple times on the sidelines? LOL okay.

Hollins has talent on his team, he teaches good D, but lacks in adjustments and strategy. He has 2 of the best big men in the game that clean up a lot of ugly offense when they are not feeding them the ball.

This point is moot. Memphis is a middle of the road rebounding team, and are 8th in offensive rebounding behind teams like Cleveland, Utah, Minnesota etc. Their "cleaning up" is a lot less effective then you're alluding to. Their success is more attributed to solid PG play, ball movement and spacing, having two bigs that can play with their back to the basket and are the second best FT shooting team in the league.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

What's this managing ego nonsense with regards to Spo? What egos are he managing? Usually that term and especially including Phil Jackson in that category was reflective of the fact that you had players itching to be top dog on the team or unwilling to share the spotlight or shots or minutes with the other star of the team, hence the egos needing to be managed. As we've seen lately, Dwyane Wade seems to be quite content kicking up his feet and letting LeBron do all the heavy lifting for the team. Bosh is still just happy he got picked to be the third wheel over Boozer and A'mare and everybody else on the team knows they got an express train to a ring and semi-fame. So again, what egos are there needing to be in check when everybody already bought into each other before you even factor this dude into the equation?

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

I hate that managing ego's angle that EVERYONE seems to use with Spo. Guy was handed the keys to maybe the most selfless superstar since Magic Johnson and three of the best players in the NBA today. If you can't win with that, then you probably don't belong anywhere near an NBA sideline.

Brooks is bad at XOs as well. Many mismanaged possessions, especially coming out of time outs, poor offensive strategy (RW is to blame as well). Probably the only thing he did right in the playoffs last year was put Thabo on Parker in the San Antonio series.

Neither of them are anywhere close to being the best coaches in the NBA.

Wait, were talking about Spo, who Wade and LeBron have checked multiple times on the sidelines? LOL okay.

Spo did win with them. While LBJ might be selfless on the court, to not think he doesn't have a big ego is naive.

Brooks is working with a team full of under 25's, there's gonna be some mismanaged play, especially with RW like you said. He still has gotten them to the finals though in a few years.

Yes Wade and LBJ have 'checked' Spo before, and what happened in those games? Did they lose or almost lose? Yes. Again its all about keeping players in the right state of mind. This is why Phil "the Zenmeister" Jackson is so good, he is excellent at manipulating the mind of his players. Talent is also a big key component as well, don't the "best" coaches have the best talent usually.

[Vni]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

LBJ has an ego but he's also one of the smartest player. He ain't a Kobe or Melo type of personality.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

Of course its nonsense when you don't agree with it, smh. LBJ has been coddled since he was in HS, you don't think he has a ego?

Dwade, humble guy sure a bit, but he also has an ego, as shown last playoffs against Indiana, again naive to think he doesn't have one.

Bosh might be the only one who really doesn't have an ego (at least a big one. Yes he is tagging along for the ride.

Spo still has to manage these three together, also you know he has Pat Pat watching over his shoulder and with so much more talent than the other teams, you can have a simple gameplan and get away with it. I've already said he is not the best XOs guy, but he still got a ring.

[iLLosophy]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

Honestly I've always been stumped on how to measure coaches. The best way I can look at it, is to look at a coach's season success and ask how many other coaches could've done the same with the same talent?

So if you look at championship runs:

Miami 2012. How many other active coaches could win with that roster? A dozen? lol
Dallas 2011. Maybe 1
LAL 2009-2010? 3-5
Boston 2008? 4-6
SA 2007? 4-6
Miami 2006? 5-6
SA 2005? 2-3
Detroit 2004? 0


Again this is all speculation but you can see where I'm getting at.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Outside of Pop and Doc, Who Are The Best/Worst Coaches In The League?

LBJ has an ego but he's also one of the smartest player. He ain't a Kobe or Melo type of personality.

Smartest... hmmm, I agree that he has smartened up in recent years. But more like, most talented player >>>>>> over the competition, yes, which allows him to make ungodly plays.